IS XPE OUT OF DATED WITH DIETMAR’S MODIFIED METHOD:, RUN XPSP2 DIRECTLY FROM USB-HDD? Options

[bshoangl1]

Dietmar made a so great work of making the installation XPSP2 in USB- HD the first time in the world . Due to his sensational work and genial idea, I am so daring to make some little personal modifications to run a full autobooted XPSP2 with a lot of softwares very normally within USB- HD or USB-FD .
That application of mine relying on Dietmar’s work fully, have some importances because we could not use XPE-USB or PE-USB anymore.
There is a big difference between them( PE-USB and XPSP2-USB ) in the following convenient points:
1)In XPE-USB or PE-USB, we had to waste a lot of time to make all plug-ins to install them and some softs not fully working like Office 2003, Nero 70 if they don’t have each efficient plug-in in XPE ..
2)In the contrary, with XPSP2-USB, we could install any software as we want normally like Office 2003 without any difficulty( the right way in our hard disk ) . Another convenient problem more : from now, we could get rid off making any plug-ins for them .
We could type any DOC file, relax to see DVD, have printing jobs easier than ever within XPSP2 USB. Good bye for making all audio, modem, printers plug-in.
3)The booted time to a full appearance of XP desktop is also very different between them: 5 minutes only for XPSP2-USB contrary to 10 minutes of XPE-USB or PE-USB.
4) Finally if we made success of an autobooted XPSP2 fully running in USB hard disk, XPE-USB or PE-USB become out of dated very soon .
They are still useful only in one point : try working in CD; or in our hard disk next to C .
Following is my personal ways relying on the full Dietmar’s tutorial 3 with a bit of modifications of mine:
1)Download all tools( XPUSB.zip and REG.zip ) from http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OZCVCKR4
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WLD597W2
2)Firstly, from DOS or another windows( 2000) in D partition, try to make a ghost( ghost 32.exe or ghost.exe of 8.2 ) to save the actual C partition to E one’s with a name : XPSP2.gho
3)You could also use Partition magic 805 in CD( from any rescue CD ) or from another windows in D ( 2000 ) to delete this C partition; create a new name XPSP2 again ; format it in FAT 32 or NTFS.
4)Reboot and begin to install a new fresh XPSP2 in your blank C partition. Next, install all necessary driver hardwares and a lot of softwares you want, like Office 2003, WinRAR, InterDVD70, Ulead DVD player 15, Smartcapture 351,.. Opera 805, Winamp 52, Flash get 171 , Cute FTP pro 71 .. Remember to install all these softs in the same C partition only.
5)Disable Pagefile sys file in Performance and reboot to save this configuration.
6)Make a ghost save for C partition with a new name XP0.gho to E partition
7)Make a ghost restore XPSP2.gho form E partition to C one’s . Reboot again.
8)Within XPSP2 , plug your USB hard drive and make a ghost restore XP0.gho to USB hard drive by ghost32.exe. Reboot again.
9)Also in XPSP2 , you begin to make a change to USB hard disk to make it autobootable by copying ntdetect.com; boot.ini to the root folder of USB and all USBSP1 drivers to sytem32\driver ( from XPUSB.zip downloaded ).
Don’t copy ntoskrnl.exe to windows of USB yet ( you reserved it in case of your USB not booted successfully by this way ).
10) Create a temp folder : RETTUNG within system32\config of USB-HD. Copy the file system of config to the RETTUNG folder.
11)Type Regedit on Run ; choose HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE and load hive from files. Go to System in RETTUNG folder and create a name subfolder OTTO below the key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE .
12)Edit by notepad otto.reg two last lines about USB hard drive identification( Use Check_U_disk.exe to have all ID information of your USB HD ):
- First last line : VID&PID
- Second last line: VendorID, name, productID, productRevision of USBHD
13)Double click on Otto.reg and Otto1.reg to incorporate them to registry of OTTO.
14)Export OTTO as Reg Hive file to RETTUNG as a name OTTO.
15)Close XP registry and reopen it to unload OTTO from XP registry.
16)Delete System and system.log from RETTUNG.
17) Rename OTTO to system. Copy the file system and paste right here and rename Copy of the system to the system.sav.
18)Copy 2 files system and system.sav from RETTUNG to config ( USB- HDD) . Delete the file system.log if it has in config folder. Also delete the RETTUNG folder now.
19)Go to the INF folder of windows ( USB-HDD ), delete 3 files of usb.pnf, usbport.pnf, usbstor. pnf.
20) Open 2 files usb.inf, usbport.inf: Replace Base in LoadOrderGroup to System Bus Extender ONLY for "usbhub", "usbehci", "usbohci", "usbuhci".
Add one more line below StartType = 0 ONLY for "usbhub", "usbehci", "usbohci", "usbuhci", "usbstor"
21)Especially for the file usbstor.inf, open it by notepad and replace the PnP Filter of the LoadOrderGroup = to System Bus Extender
22)Close your PC and reboot . Press on delete to go to CMOS; to change first boot device to “ USB-HDD” , save and exit. Reboot one time more.
23) That time, your PC becomes autobooted by USB-HDD. Don’t be in despair quickly if you see a black screen only : you must wait at least for 3 minutes to have the first appearance of the progress bar and 2 minutes more to see the first XP logo and the final XP desktop.
Wow, you already made a big success autobooted running a full XPSP2 within an USB hard disk the first time.. Make a ghost save of USB hard drive to a new name USB.gho and reuse it in case of USB-HD not autobooted anymore or your seeing BSOD subitely.
24)If you would like you make an autobooted running XPSP2 within any Flash drive( size of 2GB at least ) , you must know to use EWF ( enhanced write filter ) to protect to have the longest life span of your Flash drive. If not, your Flash drive could be died anytime.
25)You could disable pagefile sys in XPSP2 only if your PC had enough RAM ( 526MB ) .
In conclusion, if you make out of running autobooted XPSP2 within USB-hard disk, perhaps, you don’t like to use or make a PE-USB or XPE-USB anymore because of a lot of inconvenience compared to XPSP2 in USB-HD( Dietmar’s ways ).
You see my pic showing the first time my autobooted USB-HDD partition appeared in C ( XPUSB ) and my normal XP is displaced to D partition ( XPSP2 ), my Windows 2000 in D also displaced to E . Those XP-USB corner desktop of mine is full of a lot of softwares those I want to run.



Dr Hoang from Vietnam

[neue]

Yes, full xp in a removable drive is really a great acomplishment. I guess the only problem is the booting time, the machine requirements and the building process. But it is really sounds truly awesome when you think on it's potential!

[JonF]

No, XPE is not out-dated, becasue Dietmar's method does not allow you to boot the same disk on a wide variety of macines.

[bilou_gateux]

Yes, full xp in a removable drive is really a great acomplishment. I guess the only problem is the booting time, the machine requirements and the building process. But it is really sounds truly awesome when you think on it's potential!

Booting time is enterely determined by your motherboard / BIOS implementation: USB 2.0 "High-Speed" Boot.
I have done a check with a different brand of computer and the booting times are as slow as described by Dr Hoang from Vietnam.
With mine (Fujitsu-Siemens business computer made in Germany/Phoenix cME FirstBIOS Pro), i don't see any difference booting from USB Hard Drive or booting from local Hard Drive.

[RvdH]

Man, bshoangl1 you really annoy me....STOP using capital characters in every topic you start.

[bshoangl1]

No, XPE is not out-dated, becasue Dietmar's method does not allow you to boot the same disk on a wide variety of macines.

Hi JohnF,
I don't agree with you on that because you could never install Office 2003 or to have Outlook Express or Microsoft Outlook, even IE 7 beta 2, Office 12 so easily in your XPE-USB-HDD.
Moreover, XPE-USB is also working on your sole personal computer not every variety one's, so inferior than XPSP2 in USB-HDD now ( You have no need of making any plugin for your XPSP2 in USB from now ).
Dr Hoang from Vietnam

@ Rvdh,
Sorry, I don't pay any attention on that. I will correct it( lowercases) surely in all my next topics.
I would like to inform your tetchy problem on setting 640x480 resolution( in your recent topic ) is resolved easily. Try to use a tiny file( 1365VidChng.exe ).
That mini file but powerful fixes your wanted resolution( 1024x768) with a unchangeable way afterwards
Dr Hoang from Vietnam

[CWorks]

these are 2 totally different things
XPE is for PE
Dietmar's method is a full xp install and has nothing to do with PE

i'm sorry but i don't see the need for a full os to fix a broken one
and what do i need office or any other MS crap in a recovery enviroment
after all isn't that what BartPE is all about

as far as i'm cocerned this has nothing to do with BartPE or XPE
besides i think i'd rather carry around a cd to fix a machine than lug around a usb hard drive

if i want a portable full os i would choose linux over xp anyways

[FeReNGi]

I can't use your method to send over the complete disk by PXE on a TFTP server.

BTW my boot in complete XPE = 2 minutes compared to yours 10 minutes.

BAD BUILD of XPE !

[bshoangl1]

I can't use your method to send over the complete disk by PXE on a TFTP server.
BTW my boot in complete XPE = 2 minutes compared to yours 10 minutes.
BAD BUILD of XPE !

You do boot to XPE-USB-HDD in 2 minutes? Unbeleviablely!!( My XPSP2 is booted in 4-5 minutes from USB-HDD )
That shortest time is perhaps reserved only for you. I never heard of anyone booting to USB-HDD or FDrive in 2 minutes?
My XPE installed together with XP in hard disk booted completely in 1 minutes 30 secondes. XPE booted In CD is about 4-5 minutes
Sincerely,
@ Cworks
I think carrrying a tiny box 40GB USB-HDD( 2.5 inches ) with a full XPSP2 ( in a cigarette box size ) is much more convenient than an XPE SP2 CD( scratched possibly anytime ) to rescue by ghost32.exe and moreover you could copy, all preferred things from your friend( such as a full DVD )
Linux still made a very long path to catch up to XPSP2 on all conveniences.
If XPE is used only to rescue another PC like you said, all our continous efforts in this forum to make a superbe XPE with typing any DOC file, relax with hearing mp3, seeing DVD , connecting to web or printing jobs become insignificant or useless.
I so regret to hear that from Cworks: ( a very big member in this forum) .
The original Dietmar's method is to install a fresh XP ( no driver at all ) to USB-HDD.
Dr Hoang from Vietnam

[FeReNGi]

XPE = BartPE and XPE 1.04

BootTime 2 minutes with Ramdisk and SDI method from CDRW

[Ed_P]

i'm sorry but i don't see the need for a full os to fix a broken one
and what do i need office or any other MS crap in a recovery enviroment
after all isn't that what BartPE is all about

I agree Cworks but many are looking for a way to run their copy of XP on any machine they happened to be at. Basically they are looking to get around MS's licensing.

[bshoangl1]

XPE = BartPE and XPE 1.04
BootTime 2 minutes with Ramdisk and SDI method from CDRW

Hi Ferengi,
I don't believe you made out of booting to a full icon XPE desktop appearance in 2 minutes from an CDRW by any way.
It wasted at least 1 minute for you with the progress bar first appearance and XPE logo and how could you boot to a full XPE desktop with update all network and pnp hardware drivers( BartPE ) and XPE loading in only 1 rest minute ?? Do you have 1GB 566 DDRAM2 and Pentium IV 3.2GB ?
Don' t be in despair so soon with my method extracted and changed from Dietmar's work.
At first, I also believed in Dietmar's one's hardly and I had to erase my DVDRW at least 30 times before my initial success.
Sincerely,
Dr Hoang

[bshoangl1]

Hi Ferengi,
One question more for you:
What is the real boot time of your XPESP2 in the USB-HDD or Flash Drive ? 2 minutes or more?
DrHoang from Vietnam

[dennis123123]

Basically they are looking to get around MS's licensing.

I dont think its that; i think it is more like people with specialist programs who fix peoples computers (like me!) dont want to say to someone, oh er hi is it ok if i install these 20 programs to recover your data, it might overwrite somethings but i need them. It is easier to boot pe or USB XP and use from there. There are many programs without plugins and many programs which simply refuse to work properly in PE, and XP USB you could just install as normal.

[FeReNGi]

My ISO is just 160 mb with all drivers from UBCD4WIn project (raid and network)

Using XPE 1.04 optimized - Postprocessing scripts.

All files are on a SDI compressed file booting in complete memory.
I can remove the CD or load a second SDI from CD/DVD or network to work with the programs i need.

System = Celeron 2.8 - 512 mb

Everything is depending on how fast the CD/DVD can read and put it in memory.

XPE intializing is just 30 seconds once in memory.

[JonF]

I agree Cworks but many are looking for a way to run their copy of XP on any machine they happened to be at. Basically they are looking to get around MS's licensing.

Or using it as by far the best way to get rid of spyware and viruses at client's computers, for which Dietmar's method is useless.

[CWorks]

traveling from client to client infecting them all as you go about fixing there machines
and as far as scratching goes i've never scratched one bad enough that it could not be used
I carry them in a nice padded case with fabric sleeves inside to keep them all scratch free

i've got disks from 10 years ago that are still scratch free and work fine but what's on them is a little out dated

[bshoangl1]

[quote name='FeReNGi' post='101919' date='Feb 2 2006, 08:53 AM']My ISO is just 160 mb with all drivers from UBCD4WIn project (raid and network)
Using XPE 1.04 optimized - Postprocessing scripts.
Hi FeReNGi,
Wow, I understand why you get a speedy booted XPE CD now.
Your ISO is only 160MB( too small compared to mine: it is 697Mb )
I will be so amazed if one day you could make booting a XPE SP2 with a CD size near 700MB like mine, in only 3 minutes like you said..
Dr Hoang from Vietnam

Hi JonF
[quote name='JonF' post='101953' date='Feb 2 2006, 01:18 PM']
Or using it as by far the best way to get rid of spyware and viruses at client's computers, for which Dietmar's method is useless.[/quote]

Why do you say Dietmar's method is useless ? You seem a bit wrong of thinking it could not get rid off all spyware or viruses
Plugging XPSP2 USB-HDD via your USB port in XP normally , you could scan everything of viruses or spaywares from it easily with NAV 2006 or NIS 2006 in some minutes.
Dr Hoang

Hi Cworks,
I never dare to use any padded case carrying all my CDs like you because I had a lot of experience of getting a lot of scratched one's in the past. Each CD of mine was kept always in each separate box.
You have all scratch free with a simple reason: too fortunate.
But I think you get this problem like mine some days sooner or later.
Dr Hoang.

[JonF]

Why do you say Dietmar's method is useless ? You seem a bit wrong of thinking it could not get rid off all spyware or viruses
Plugging XPSP2 USB-HDD via your USB port in XP normally , you could scan everything of viruses or spaywares from it easily with NAV 2006 or NIS 2006 in some minutes.

Except that only works on one computer. I need it to work on everything from a 10-year-old computer running Windows 98SE in 64 MB of RAM to the latest Dell. I need it to work on hundreds of diferent computers. I need it to work on every computer in every house into which I walk.

[Joshua]

I need it to work on everything from a 10-year-old computer running Windows 98SE in 64 MB of RAM to the latest Dell.

yes, so it is!!!

Joshua