How to success in modified Sisal’s method ?, ( install xp from an edited CD to USB-HDD ). Options

[bshoangl1]

I ) History of my suite of failure on Sisal’s method in 3 consecutive weeks :
Perhaps, this is one of the simplest method to install XP from CD to USB-HDD but it also made me lost all my time to go to the final success.
Because of getting a lof of fatal errors( incorrect functions or parameter in sxs.dll over 50 times ) with this method, I made up my mind to buy another new mainboard once, other than CDRW, DVDRW, IDE cables, a lot of useless CD, DVD disks.
Finally, I found out this error is principaly due to a DVDR burning soft( WinonDVD ) that wrote USBXP. ISO not so well as I expected.
1) With Sisal ‘s method , you could also override this stade of disabling HDD or removing it in copy XP from CD to USB-HDD by using my following useful trick : install a modified XP ISO of XP to C ( hard disk ) directly( instead of USB-HDD directly).
Afterwards , with any rescue CD using ghost to save it from C to hard disk ( E partition ). Restore this saved image USBXP.GHO from E partition to USB-HDD within XP .
2) Perhaps that Sisal’s method using a generic USB driver gave you a lot of BSOD than ever: I met over 100 times in testing it during 3 consecutive weeks.
Finally, I had to combine Dietmar’s method to Sisal ‘s one’s in overriding this problem ( BSOD ) by copying USB driver SP1 and ntdetect.com to USB-HDD.
Download USBHDDXP.zip from one of two webpage: you wil have ntdetect.com and USBSP1 drivers in case of need.. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NNQR88IE
http://rapidshare.de/files/17615347/USBHDDXP.zip
3) If you use Sisal ‘s method purely, to install XP from CD to USB-HDD, in the final stade after installing XP successfully, you always get a failure certainly in rebooting at the XP logo firstly seen.
With my following smart trick installing XP directly to C partition of hard disk( instead of USB-HDD ), you could control it easily by removing check button: always restart in system failure.

4) You also have the need of removing MountedDevices folder from HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\:
It is important for you to get a final success of Sisal’s method. You could also edit all bases of services\ubsehci, usbuhci,usbstor,usbhub again to System reserved ( instead of Boot bus extender ).
If not, you will get a rebooting to POST after seeing the first XP logo surely.
II) Steps by steps to any newbie applying my modified Sisal’s method successfully:
1)Save your XP in C partition by ghost 82 with XP.GHO to E partition ( you have multiple partitions of your harddisk )
2) Prepare the first active primary partition of your USB-HDD about 2-3GB by format it to FAT or FAT32( if above 2GB limit of FAT ) .
3) Download cabarc.exe from Microsoft website :
http://download.microsoft.com/download/pla...n-us/Cabsdk.exe
4) Make a ISO for XPSP2 CD autoboot by using UltraISO 80 and save it to your hard disk with a new name XPSP2.ISO.
5) Extract 5 following files( dosnet.inf, txtsetup.sif , usb.in_, usbprot. in_, usbstor.in_ ) from XPSP2.ISO to hard disk ( a temp folder named it to XPUSB ).
6)Open 2 files ( dosnet.inf, txtsetup.sif) by notepad and edit them like the following:
a) DOSNET.INF: add this line d1,usbboot.inf above ( d1,_default.pif ) one’s in the Files section .

b)TXTSETUP.INF:
* in the [ Source DiskFiles],
add this line usbboot.inf = 1,,,,,,_x,3,,3 above ( bootvid.dll = 1,,,,,,3_,2,0,0,,1,2) one’s
* From [InputDevicesSupport.Load] to [BootBusExtenders.Load];

move all 5 of following USB entries:
usbehci = usbehci.sys
usbohci = usbohci.sys
usbuhci = usbuhci.sys
usbhub = usbhub.sys
usbstor = usbstor.sys
* Also, from [InputDevicesSupport] to [BootBusExtenders], move all following entries :
usbehci = "Enhanced Host Controller",files.usbehci,usbehci
usbohci = "Open Host Controller",files.usbohci,usbohci
usbuhci = "Universal Host Controller",files.usbuhci,usbuhci
usbhub = "Generic USB Hub Driver",files.usbhub,usbhub
usbstor = "USB Storage Class Driver",files.usbstor,usbstor

* find [HiveInfs.Fresh] section add this a line below all:
AddReg = usbboot.inf,usbservices

7) Unpack 3 USB. IN_ files by using cabarc.exe with that example command line:
"cabarc x USBSTOR.IN_" you will see those inf files extracted successfully.
8) In USB.INF, find 2 sections [StandardHub.AddService] and [CommonClassParent.AddService] and edit 2 lines:
*StartType from 3 to 0
*LoadOrderGroup from Base to Boot bus Extender.



9) In USBPORT.INF, find 4 sections: [EHCI.AddService], [OHCI.AddService] , [UHCI.AddService] and [ROOTHUB.AddService], and edit that line:
*StartType from 3 to 0
*LoadOrderGroup from Base to Boot bus Extender.
10) In USBSTOR.INF, find the [USBSTOR.AddService] section and edit 2 lines, add one :
* StartType from 3 to 0
* LoadOrderGroup from Base to Boot bus Extender.
* Tag = 3
11) Create a new file USBBOOT.INF by using notepad and copy all following lines: CODE:
[usbservices]
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\USBSTOR","DisplayName",0x00000000,"USB Mass Storage Driver"
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\USBSTOR","ErrorControl",0x00010001,1
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\USBSTOR","Group",0x00000000,"SCSI Miniport"
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\USBSTOR","ImagePath",0x00020000,"system32\DRIVERS\USBSTOR.SYS"
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\USBSTOR","Start",0x00010001,0
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\USBSTOR","Type",0x00010001,1
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\usbehci","DisplayName",0x00000000,"USB 2.0 Enhanced Host Controller Miniport Driver"
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\usbehci","ErrorControl",0x00010001,1
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\usbehci","Group",0x00000000,"System Reserved"
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\usbehci","ImagePath",0x00020000,"system32\DRIVERS\usbehci.sys"
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\usbehci","Start",0x00010001,0
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\usbehci","Type",0x00010001,1
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\usbhub","DisplayName",0x00000000,"USB2 Enabled Hub"
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\usbhub","ErrorControl",0x00010001,1
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\usbhub","Group",0x00000000,"System Reserved"
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\usbhub","ImagePath",0x00020000,"system32\DRIVERS\usbhub.sys"
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\usbhub","Start",0x00010001,0
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\usbhub","Type",0x00010001,1
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\usbuhci","DisplayName",0x00000000,"Microsoft USB Universal Host Controller Miniport Driver"
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\usbuhci","ErrorControl",0x00010001,1
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\usbuhci","Group",0x00000000,"System Reserved"
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\usbuhci","ImagePath",0x00020000,"system32\DRIVERS\usbuhci.sys"
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\usbuhci","Start",0x00010001,0
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\usbuhci","Type",0x00010001,1
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\usbohci","DisplayName",0x00000000,"Microsoft USB Open Host Controller Miniport Driver"
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\usbohci","ErrorControl",0x00010001,1
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\usbohci","Group",0x00000000,"System Reserved"
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\usbohci","ImagePath",0x00020000,"system32\DRIVERS\usbohci.sys"
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\usbohci","Start",0x00010001,0
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\usbohci","Type",0x00010001,1
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\CriticalDeviceDatabase\usb#class_08",Service,0x00000000,"usbstor"
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\CriticalDeviceDatabase\usb#class_08",ClassGUID,0x00000000,"{36FC9E60-C465-11CF-8056-444553540000}"
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\CriticalDeviceDatabase\usb#root_hub",Service,0x00000000,"usbhub"
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\CriticalDeviceDatabase\usb#root_hub",ClassGUID,0x00000000,"{36FC9E60-C465-11CF-8056-444553540000}"
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\CriticalDeviceDatabase\usb#root_hub20",Service,0x00000000,"usbhub"
HKLM,"SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\CriticalDeviceDatabase\usb#root_hub20",ClassGUID,0x00000000,"{36FC9E60-C465-11CF-8056-444553540000}"
11) Repack 3 INF files to IN_ one’s by that example command line:
“cabarc n USB.IN_ usb.inf”
13) Using UltraISO80, open XPSP2.ISO and delete 5 files ( dosnet.inf, txtsetup.sif , usb.in_, usbprot. in_, usbstor.in_ ) within it; replace the new one’s just made, also including USBBOOT.INF and save as the new ISO file with the name XPUSB.ISO.
14) Burn this new ISO file by Roxio Easy CD 80 ( the best for me ) to a CD autobootable.
15) Prepare a fresh, blank C partition of your hard disk by Partition magic 805 , install an edited XP from XPUSBCD just made to there ( no need to disable or remove anything like intalling to USB-HDD directly ).
16) After installing XPSP2 ( 3 stades) to C successfully, don’t install any hardware drivers but go directly to Device manager to disable Paging File and System Restore ( Power\Screen saver) and never check on automatically restart in case of system failure. Reboot finally.
17) Using any Rescue CD and choosing Ghost to save this C partition with the name USBXP.GHO to E partition( surely you had multiple partitions of your hardisk ) .
18) Restore your XP again by ghost.exe from XPSP2.GHO from E to your C partition. Within XP, plug you USB-HDD and restore image USBXP.GHO by ghost.exe 32 bit ( also version 82 ) from E partition to USB-HDD. Reboot.
19) Go to XP normally, typing regedit on start , load hive from HKEY_LOCAL-MACHINE with the temporary name of XPUSB.
20) Delete MountedDevices branch from here and select XPUSB to unload hive.
In case of any unwanted rebooting to POST after seeing the first XP logo , you have also to go to registry again and edit all bases of H_KEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\Controlset001\ Services\
All group within ( ubsehci, usbuhci,usbstor,usbhub keys ) to System reserved ( instead of Boot bus extender). Reboot from XP.
21) Press on delete button (that depends on your computer ) to go to BIOS, setting the first boot device USB-HDD and 2 nd is HDD-0. Save this configuration and exit.
22) Plug your USB-HDD to USB port and let it boot firstly. If you have a so bad chance, often you will get a BSOD with requiring chkdsk/ f . Plug out your USB-HDD , you could run chkdsk/f C: but in a lot of other case, you require to combine Dietmar’s method with using ntdetect.com and USBSP1 driver replaced: very effectively.
23) Following are some of my pics showing my final success with Sisal’s method in installing XP to USB-HDD.
My primary partition in USB-HDD is resized to 3 GB with FAT 32 ( USBXP ), logical 9GB( USBXP1 . You see it in C partition and XPSP2 shifted to D, USBXP1 to E in my pic showed
24) Although this Sisal ‘s method using a generic driver for USB , it is very convenient to any newbie of not using VID and PID number of USB-HDD not like Dietmar’s method .
I think the booted USB-HDD fully compatibility to any computer also depends strictly on a lot of different kind of mainboard of your PC in the great part.

Even though, you boot USB-HDD from your PC successfully by this Sisal’s method , that is not fully equal to boot to another computer easily: often, you get a XP logo only and after : a BSOD finally. That last tetchy problem is not easier to be overrided purely some days in the future .
Dr Hoang from Vietnam

[TheHive]

I read thru as much as I can understand.
You can probably also post this info with a link to these thread at
http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=16696

Can you make all that into a script. lol!

[Dietmar]

Hi Dr. Hoang,

very nice work.

I think, that there are still a lot of people, who tried USB boot but did not succeed.
So, any other attempt to get it working is welcome.

There are only a very few steps, to make a generic USB XP, when you have an installed USB XP
like yours. There are generic drivers for the ide controllers in XP itself and you have to clear the
CriticalDeviceDatabase and ENUM.
At last, rename newdev.dll.

Nice to hear from you
Dietmar

PS: ala2 tried another way. He installed in the CriticalDeviceDatabase as much Ide drivers as possible.
That gives a generic XP, that works on 80% of all compis. Hihi, if you delete the right entries, you
come to 100%.

[bshoangl1]

Dear Dietmar
I got that success only after a full long days with tireless working
Don't you see my trick to install to C partition and edit form there more easily instead of to USB-HDD firstly( need of disabling or removing HDD ) ?
You said I have to rename Newdev.dll by what and what is the use renamed for it?
I also try ala2 way some times with a lot of IDE drivers added but the final result is also a total failure: BSOD always. .
Finall, I think the most important thing is to make autoboot XP in USB-HDD in your computer successfully for rescue, relax any time you want.
Any other computers could be rescued by another thing much speedierly like a XPE CD.
very nice work.
Dr Hoang

[bshoangl1]

Hi all newbies,
I just found 2 interesting phenomenons with the installing XP to your USB-HDD:
1) For someone liking to have the real DOS for XP in USB-HDD:
a) Before making a ghost restore from C to USB-HDD , try to format ( FAT 32) USB-HDD with HP tools to have 3 essential files for DOS: command.com, io.sys and msdos.sys.
b)Copy 4 files ( debug.exe; read.scr and sysXPfat.com; bootpart.exe ) to USB- HDD.
First boot to USB-HDD, you go to signal of C:\ and only type debug<read.scr .
You will have bootsect.dos here right away.
c) Extract all files from GHO file of C partition ( prepared for USB-HDD ) to USB-HDD.
d) Reboot to USB-HDD: From C signal here, you could either type a command line:
" sysXPfat C: or bootpart winnt boot: C:"
e) Finally, you could have a dual boot to XP ( USB-HDD ) or MS-DOS. Edit your boot.ini( USB-HDD ) to add one last line:
C:\="MS-DOS"
2) If you set in CMOS, the first boot device to USB-HDD and the 2nd one's is HDD-0, save this configuration and exit. Reboot and plug you USB-HDD in your USB port .
Even you have already booted to USB-HDD, you still choose to boot to any of 4 other locations:
- to XP in USB-HDD;
- to the XP in the former C partition( principal HD );
- to Windows MC 2005 in the former D one's( HD ): only if you have the 2nd Windows( WMC 2005 ) in D
- and to MS-DOS ( USB-HDD )
by changing your boot.ini like the following CODE:

[boot loader]
timeout=10
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP_USB_HDD" /noexecute=option /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\WINMCE="Windows Windows Media Center" /fastdetect
C:\="MS-DOS"
Sincerely,
BTW: If someone need 4 files debug.exe, read.scr, sysXPfat.com and bootpart.exe, send me your personal E mail, I am happy to insert all these files in a mail to you.
Dr Hoang from Vietnam

[pavel]

Hi all,

i am very keen on booting XP directly of USB hdd external. But my problem is i have an usb stick (pen drive) Apacer Handy steno 512 MB and it is removable (not fixed) drive. I am looking for a way how to "switch" it to fixed drive and try booting WinXP.

Anybody can help me, please?
Pavel

[edborg]

Hi all,

i am very keen on booting XP directly of USB hdd external. But my problem is i have an usb stick (pen drive) Apacer Handy steno 512 MB and it is removable (not fixed) drive. I am looking for a way how to "switch" it to fixed drive and try booting WinXP.

Anybody can help me, please?
Pavel

Yes, there's a Hitachi Microdrive that can be used to install the stick as fixed. It is available here and should be adapted as explained here.
You'll find A LOT of information and tutorials on this other thread
Good luck
edborg

[pavel]

@edborg

Thank you for replay. I will test it as soon as i may. My flash IS booting Reatogo on my laptop (still as usb removable). Does it mean it can boot "really WinXP" (slipstreamed by nLite)?

Pavel

[edborg]

@edborg

Thank you for replay. I will test it as soon as i may. My flash IS booting Reatogo on my laptop (still as usb removable). Does it mean it can boot "really WinXP" (slipstreamed by nLite)?

Pavel

Yes, I've done it!
I've installed both full XP, from a nLited (250MB) source, and BartPE +XPE (plus all UBCD4Win plugins) on 1GB USB sticks.
Beware, If you install full XP on a flash USB you MUST format it FAT (not NTFS) and install EWF (Enhanced Writing Filter) as well. Otherwise it won't last long due to the MANY automatic writings made by XP. . EWF is not needed for BartPE, as it normally writes to RAM.
edborg

[pavel]

@edborg,

thank you for your replay. I know what EWF is and how and why use it (i know XP Embedded). But not sure if i understand this correct: Can i install (nLited) XP to an REMOVABLE (not fixed) usb stick (pen drive)? Aren't there any problems with this flash disk (still removeable)? Or ...?

Pavel

[edborg]

@edborg,

thank you for your replay. I know what EWF is and how and why use it (i know XP Embedded). But not sure if i understand this correct: Can i install (nLited) XP to an REMOVABLE (not fixed) usb stick (pen drive)? Aren't there any problems with this flash disk (still removeable)? Or ...?

Pavel

Yes, you can if you follow Dietmar's Tutorial3 (install to fixed HD and transfer to USB), but I think you have to make it fixed if you want to install directly as per Tutorial4.

You should disable pagefile, though, and possibly you're not allowed to run Windows Update if Windows is installed on a removable support, which however is not an issue for a 1 GB stick!
edborg

[pavel]

OKay, i am glad you help me so much!

When you mentioned Tutorial v. 4 and making the stick "fixed", do you mean the way by editing something under registry? Or mean some utility which makes this stick as fixed "for neverending"? I can find information myself (not asking) if i know what i am looking for.

Disablinf pagefile is not problem, i know it MUST be if i can use my stick for a long time. Win update is not so important on this "emergency" Win :-)

Thanks for support.
Pavel

[edborg]

OKay, i am glad you help me so much!

When you mentioned Tutorial v. 4 and making the stick "fixed", do you mean the way by editing something under registry? Or mean some utility which makes this stick as fixed "for neverending"? I can find information myself (not asking) if i know what i am looking for.

Disablinf pagefile is not problem, i know it MUST be if i can use my stick for a long time. Win update is not so important on this "emergency" Win :-)

Thanks for support.
Pavel

Sorry for the late reply.
No, I mean installing the Hitachi Microdrive (see few posts above) which makes the stick look fixed, and then you can partition it (under Windows or Partition Magic) and format it.
Next you install XP following one of Dietmar's Tutorial (3 or 4, links above) and EWF.
edborg

[cesar_panter]

Yes, you can if you follow Dietmar's Tutorial3 (install to fixed HD and transfer to USB), but I think you have to make it fixed if you want to install directly as per Tutorial4.

You should disable pagefile, though, and possibly you're not allowed to run Windows Update if Windows is installed on a removable support, which however is not an issue for a 1 GB stick!
edborg

sorry for my ignorance, but since disk is now fixed, im able to boot from that without bios usb boot option?

[pavel]

No. The special driver makes stick look like "fixed" under WinXP only, not in BIOS. Your BIOS see your stick removable "for ages".

Pavel

[Former_frodo_post]

Uncle frodo here (yes im still alive, but stuck in web programming land...still)

Sorry i havent been around much, but i finally went out and grabed a 1Gb USB stick the other day, not only to use as storage but to try the USB XP method (although from what ive read its kinda "if you stand on one foot while juggling chainsaws, but only under a full moon it will work").

Anyhoo, the reason im writing is that after reading quickly through the posts i noticed tips to change the USB stick from removable to fixed, and funnily enough i tried those methods but couldnt get them to work too well, i mean having to install filters etc.....

Which brings me to the real reason im posting, the USB stick i bought (a Rundisk 1Gb at $AUD35) cam with a cd, and on it it has a utility that lets you config the USB stick either as a normal stick, USB HDD or USB-ZIP.

I thought id throw it out there to see if its of any use to anyone else, i only hope its not device dependant and will work on sticks other than mine (sorry couldnt test myself). Anyways ive uploaded it to:

http://au.geocities.com/nursespet/files/usbrundisk.doc

Due to Yahoo's spastic file extension rule, you will have to rename this file with a .rar extension before uncompressing it. Included is the manual and the app itself, plus the password util. Like i said ive no idea whether it will work on others sticks, but you can only try.....

p.s. In other news my much anticipated move to wireless internet has been delayed, so for now im back at the netcafe as always while my landlord sorts his poo out. In other news, i still havent burnt a PE CD in months as ive been on this PHP/MySQL hell trip apart from looking for work as usual, but am hoping to be back to full PE service by early july and will have a few new plugins by then: KAV v6 (almost done) / PC Anywhere v12 (in development and a few other big common apps that i hope will be well recieved.

Enjoy the peace in my absence as i know you have so far these past 6 or 7 weeks