Booting Knoppix With Windows, Multibooting with Knoppix Options

[jassi]

Hey guys !!!

I just got hold of a copy of KNOPPIX 3.2 and believe me ITS AMAZING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just culdnt believe my eyes when i saw it for the first time !!! man i really hated to go back to windows !!!!!

AND YO my problem of accessing the net with a modem also got solved now !!! KNOPPIX rocks !!

Well thats that... i was just wondering that as it contains a kernel and a .cfg file and vmlin*** cud it be possible to boot it along with other images ??????

It wud realy be great if we cud multiboot knoppix and PE like it wud be combining the best of both the worlds !!!!

Please look into this ..

Bye,
Jassi

[Former_Jef_post]

No, Knoppix takes a full 700MB CD. There is a Knoppix Lite somewhere on the web, you'll have to find that yourself.

SystemRescueCD is a lot better move, only 50 MB or so and has a lot of useful features. It's based off the Gentoo LiveCD.
Knoppix can be handy but requires 256MB RAM to work smoothly.
Also you can cache the Gentoo CD to memory (same for this CD), then swap CD's with another one.

While I'm talking about Gentoo... the release of 1.4 is in a few days on LinuxTag/

[jassi]

Hey jef.. thnks !!!!!

well now i'll try to get my hands on the systemrescuecd !!

i guess as its based on linux its free, right ??? (plz correct me if wrong)

i never knew that the requirments of knoppix were soo high !!,, i never noticed as i have 512 ddr.. as is is i culdnt find any tools used for recovery purposes !!.. (or maybe i dind search good)

Actually knoppix is the FIRST linux i've ever used !! so i got quite anxious and exited !!!

PLZ tell me if there r some HIGHLIGHTS in knoppix that cud be used for recovery purposes !!

Also from where cud i get the systemrescuecd ?? and whats the approx size ???

EDIT :- BTW, if somehow i manage to get a 800mb cd ,,, then wud it be possible to boot pe + knoppix ???????,

Plz let me know !!

Bye,
Jassi

[jassi]

hmm......

OK if i got the disk that u said then wud it be possible to multiboot it with PE ?????

BTW !! :- the ver 2.0 has been already released at the site that u mentioned !! so shud i download it now or is the new ver gonna come up within a week ???? cuz he's really updating it fast !!

And the main problem is that i'm on dialup so i cant aford to dl it every time its updated !!!!

Bye,
JAssi

[Former_maboda_post]

Here are many customize Knoppix:

http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/Knop...xCustomizations

There are one Knoppix with only 50 MB with GUI with the name "Damn Small Linux"; look here:

http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/



Greets maboda

[ZuluDC]

a thx to maboda...

I am now writing this post over the damnsmalllinux.iso that i have booted in VMWare. It is really nice, verz small but big enough to come to this place an write a post Infact i play not often around with linux but from time to time when frustration over Windoze comes over me i have to boot RedHat 9.0 from my HDD. When DRM, Palladium and this securiychips on Mainboards are such that they take away parts of the users freedom i am sure that on my PC much more the choice by booting will fall to Linux...thx for the Links

[NightMan]

ZuluDC
try download Slackware-Live CD (http://www.slackware-live.org/), it's more better than damnsmalllinux

[Former_Jef_post]

Question answering round

i guess as its based on linux its free, right ??? (plz correct me if wrong)

Yep.

i never knew that the requirments of knoppix were soo high !!,, i never noticed as i have 512 ddr.. as is is i culdnt find any tools used for recovery purposes !!.. (or maybe i dind search good)

They aren't that high - it works fine on a 128MB one, but not exactly fast. Textmode is a solution, but there are many graphical tools.

PLZ tell me if there r some HIGHLIGHTS in knoppix that cud be used for recovery purposes !!

• qtparted - Partition Magic clone
  
  
• SSH server - remote access over network - can be useful in some cases
  
  
• Mozilla - if you need to find something on the net.

There are more, I'll go look in my (3-month old) CD if there are some useful tools.

Also from where cud i get the systemrescuecd ?? and whats the approx size ???

Not sure of a place, my 1.4 iso is 52,3 MB according to Windows.

EDIT :- BTW, if somehow i manage to get a 800mb cd ,,, then wud it be possible to boot pe + knoppix ???????,

Still not. Altough you come close, 800 MB isn't enough. You can make a simple DOS recovery along it though. Knoppix uses isolinux to boot, so it can be done from BootScriptor without too much work.

See this page for included tools on the CD. Mainly partition stuff, including a good imager. It's the best restore CD I found until now.
Knoppix etc. have media players and other stuff you don't need for a recovery envoirement.

[xJulian]

When DRM, Palladium and this securiychips on Mainboards are such that they take away parts of the users freedom i am sure that on my PC much more the choice by booting will fall to Linux...thx for the Links

I suppose you don't read OSNews, do you? Linus Torvalds published a text in which he explained why DRM will be integrated into the Linux kernel soon.

[ckleea]

Anyone has solution to integrate them into multi boot CD?

[ZuluDC]

xJulian:
Linus Torvalds published a text in which he explained why DRM will be integrated into the Linux kernel soon.

old news...

When i have a source, and this source is open, so it seems for me that i can put in the kernel what i want if i am able to compile the kernel, isn't it? I am more study over: Run this motherboards with securitychips by deactivating in the BIOS? They say yes (and the IBMchips now available do) but how long will this be so¿

@ Sergey Gurinovich
Also a big thx to you . The screenshot looks very nice. I load it down in the moment and must say...very fast server

[xJulian]

When i have a source, and this source is open, so it seems for me that i can put in the kernel what i want if i am able to compile the kernel, isn't it? I am more study over: Run this motherboards with securitychips by deactivating in the BIOS? They say yes (and the IBMchips now available do) but how long will this be so¿

I doubt disintegrating DRM from the kernel would be made as easy as integrating a graphics driver. Linus Torvalds says it is okay, so I don't see why it couldn't become a centralized part of the kernel.

[jassi]

Well in my opinion things like these wont survive the GENERAL market......

Well just a general question !!!! How many softwares have u actually used all ur life and exactly how many have u legally purchased or registered ????????

U dont need to answer just understand the situation !!, Such a thing was also incorporated in the old pIII 's (cpu no. id feature that wud recognize a user on the web... but due to public criticism it had to removed)..

So i guess even the DRM will centainly be a very very short NIGHTMARE for the PC industry ....

Afterall its the users who RULE and not the manufacturers !!!!

Anyways !!! getting back to the topic !! how do we incorporate the SMALL 50mb version of linux'es in our cd's along with PE !!

AND someone PLZZZZ tell me which version of LINUX (50mb) should i download .... PLZ understand i have a very very slow dialup connection.. it wud take very very long time to download something that big....

And it wud be a total disaster if after downloading i find out that i downloaded CRAP !!! so plz guys help me with this as i'm just a NEWBORN baby in LINUX !!!

Bye,
Jassi

[ZuluDC]

hi jassi

I can understand that you really wanna know what the best Linux-ISO (around 50MB) is. Plz forgive me but i can't say because my bag with Linuxknowlege is to small to have a survey and to play here a Linux-pope. Best will be to play around with your knoppix a time and become a 'feel' for Linux.

It seems to me that the guys with many knowledge about tux mostly build there Linux self (...compiling). They download the parts they wanna have in and then they put all together.

To the second...( incorporate the SMALL 50mb version) my answer is nearly the same like before...I absolutly don't know. But think (and hope) some of the cracks here should know.

[jassi]

Hey thankl ZULU !!!

Well now i'm very happy to know that in the CRUEL world of LINUX i'm not the only one stranded !!!!

Well.. Lets wait and watch untill i find a suitable solution !!!

Cuz downloading such a big file is really not easy for me !!

Anyways, i hope someone here real good with the TUX buddy !!!

Bye,
Jassi

[Former_Jef_post]

Systemrescuecd requires quite some Linux knowledge, but you have a lot of tools you can use.
Best bet probably is Damn Small Linux if you don't want to learn the console-Linux.

I will download DSL (with my DSL lol) and test. It shouldn't be that hard to put it along Windows PE. If you know CD Shell (CDS) or BootScriptor (BS), it isn't that hard. I will help if needed.
Systemrescuecd is easy to do, you copy all files (you need the empty gentoo folder) and use the isolinux module. Knoppix is about the same, but will be a little harder to insert into BS/CDS.
Of course it should be possible to get the boot sector of one of the CD's, then chain it in BS/CDS. That will be a double startup menu though.

[jassi]

Well jef thnxs for helping me out !!!

What exactly i'm searching for in a linux distro is :-

1.NET (via modem)
2.Ability to read and write NTFS volumes (somehow i cant write on ntfs with Knoppix 3.2,,, plz help me if u know how to do it,, i can read/write on fat32 but cant on NTFS)
3.Some password ressetting utils or anything to crack/hack windows
4.some disk partitioning apps and drive imaging
5. CD burning wud be just fine.(also if possible iso emulating)
6.What wud i do without the XMMS (movie and songs )
7.Lots and LOTS of system tools.
8. Preferably KDE desktop as i'm quite familiar with it for now atleast...
9.Konqueror web browser (it rocks)
10.Some hex editng and test editors !!!
11.ANY virus scanning app

Well i know that this is really too much !!!! but just imagine that it wud be a real COMPLIMENT to the WinPE as it cud even play songs !!!!! (something very imp)

If some distro is close or matches majority of the features plz let me know !!! maybe i'll download it and then with time i'll learn to customize the distro !!!!!

Bye,

Happy hunting !!!

Jassi

[Former_Jef_post]

DSL=Damn Small Linux SR=Systemrescue
Not completely finished yet.

1.NET (via modem)
I don't have a modem so I couldn't test, but my DSL-modem needs the same tools and that works in SR.
DSL=Yes but need manual setup
SR=Yes but need manual setup
2.Ability to read and write NTFS volumes (somehow i cant write on ntfs with Knoppix 3.2,,, plz help me if u know how to do it,, i can read/write on fat32 but cant on NTFS)
NTFS support is well let's say............... BAD. MS provides no info at all about it. It's slowly getting stable, but it probably will take a few months.
DSL=N/A
SR=N/A
3.Some password ressetting utils or anything to crack/hack windows
DSL=No
SR=Not sure
4.some disk partitioning apps and drive imaging
Systemrescuecd has 2 graphical partition programs and a partimage server/client (you can save/load images over the network).
DSL=No
SR=Yes
5. CD burning wud be just fine.(also if possible iso emulating)
First one can't with any of my known CD's, second one is possible if you do it yourself form text-mode. Most CD's support it. You can create a virtual disk this way as well, that's a bit harder.

CODE

md /mnt/iso/
mount -t iso9660 /mnt/cd/isoimage.iso /mnt/iso/

6.What wud i do without the XMMS (movie and songs )
DSL=Yes
SR=No
7.Lots and LOTS of system tools.
Use SR, it has a lot more tools. DSL is very limited, especially in the GUI.
8. Preferably KDE desktop as i'm quite familiar with it for now atleast...
DSL=No, uses fulbox (rightclick on your desktop for a full app menu)
SR=No, no graphical part at all.
9.Konqueror web browser (it rocks)
Konquerer=KDE=no
Both have a textmode browser, links.
10.Some hex editng and test editors !!!
nano is on the systemrescuecd. It's a semi-graphical command-line text editor. Very easy to use if you ask me.
11.ANY virus scanning app
Not sure. I think Knoppix has f-prot. Once again, when I'm working in VMware anyway...
DSL=No
SR=?

This post has been edited by Jef: Aug 4 2003, 04:06 PM

[jassi]

OHHHHH DAMN !!!!

Looks like i'm gonna have a HARSH time using Linux !!!!!

maybe i'll afterall have to drop the idea of making WINDOWS as my second choice OS !!!! :-((((

Anyways u cud save my day !!,, like by :-

1. Is there no way to write to an NTFS volume ???? (if ans=no, then ITS VERY VERY BAD.. THATS ENOUGH FOR ME TO SCRAP THE LINUX IDEA)
as i'm having 4 out 5 disks on NTFS !!!! (i was a faithful Windows GEEK)

2.Does systemrescuecd have anything so that i cud restore ghost or driveimage images back @!! (just kidding,, but wud'nt hurt if available) !!

3. Cd burning is possible if the os emulates the ide writers as SCSI and i guess its done very well by Knoppix !!,
Where as the command u gave me for mounting .... Where do i run it like theres no CMD.exe in linux,,,
every alternate app i open leaves me guessing at an unfriendly command prompt !!!! (i'm just a baby in the HARSH world of Linux remember ???)

4. Cud i do anything exept recompiling to incorporate KDE into my distro !!! ,, or anyways is the desktop interface of systemrescuecd friendly,,,, remember i miss windows very much !!

5. OK i can do without Konqueror :-((((((((((((((((((((((((,, I hope atleast Mozilla still lives !!

6. I checked every where for F-prot !! cud u plz tell me how to run it !!!,,, i guess there's no exe right ?? so what shud i do even if i get a weird file named after fprot ??

MAN u'r really gonna hate me after answering all these question's !!!!

PLZ bear with me PAL !!!

Bye,
Jassi

[Former_Jef_post]

1) Yes, but not on systemrescuecd. There is full read-access though.
2) Not ghost, very little chance drive image will work. partimage is the name.
3) A shell. If you can get more in Knoppix, use bash. Also you can start Knoppix with "knoppix textmode" at the bootscreen instead of enter. DSL can't, look in the menu for a shell. SR is text-mode and can only accept commands.
4) No.... there is no interface.
5) Not in DSL, but you can download Firebird from the net by a menu item. It is NOT on the CD by default.
6) Nope... not in any CD .

Best way would be a PE/DSL mix for you, systemrescue is quite hard to use.