 How To Use Ntfs4dos With Freedos?, What's the best way to get it running |
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  Oct 27 2004, 04:26 PM
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I and a few people have mentioned it a few times... But just to state it again for those that have not heard...
NTFS4DOS has been released as FREEWARE for personal use. read more here. Anyway, now that it has been released... does anyone know the best way to get it working with FreeDOS? I have easily gotten it to work with a real MS-DOS bootdisk by downloading the 6.22 version of MS-DOS from here... running the excutable file that writes the image to the floppy disk... and then running the NTFS4DOS Floppywizard which copies the related files to the floppy disk. This works pefectly... But is there anyway to get the same results byt using FreeDOS (and only FD) in place of MS-DOS? After I downloaded the latest .img distrobution of FreeDOS from here. I used WinImage to write the .img file to the floppy... and then I tried to run the NTFS4DOS Floppywizard... and it stated that I did not have a valid boot disk in the drive... Has anyone been able to get NTFS4DOS and FreeDOS to "play together"? Thanks 
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Oct 28 2004, 08:30 AM
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just compare the original Dos 6.22 floppy with the new one. Find teh files that have been added and put them on the FreeDos disk..
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Oct 28 2004, 08:50 AM
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also, have you tried this yet? With NTFS Dos any time I would try to copy from an NTFS partition to any other partition, the files would all have skips in them. Music and Video would skip. Zip archives, etc, would be corrupted with CRC errors, etc. Does this do better than that.
I would like to see if somebody would copy from NTFS to NTFS with this and check the CRC of these files to see if they are the same, because this is where NTFSDos failed... |
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Oct 28 2004, 02:20 PM
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Silver Member Group: Members Posts: 445 Joined: 31-January 04 Member No.: 3,932 |
@JamesB
QUOTE just compare the original Dos 6.22 floppy with the new one. Find teh files that have been added and put them on the FreeDos disk.. That's basically what I ended up doing... but it appears that NTFS4DOS is incompatible with the command.com file from FreeDOS... although that appears to be the only file that is really needed from the DOS 6.22 floppy... it appears that the NTFS4DOS Floppywizard actually checks to make sure that the bootsector of the floppy matches that of a Windows 9x boot disk, or MS-DOS bootdisk... If I extract the bootsector and apply it to the FreeDOS disk and then use the command.com file... that should work... But, the point is, why should I have to do it this way? In otherwords... I figured I would be able to use the files from FreeDOS and nothing else... I thought that NTFS4DOS was fully compatible with FreeDOS... and it states in the documentation that if might use FREEDOS if you're running Windows NT or Windows 2000 and don't have another way to create a DOS Floppy... That is what gave me this impression... also... as far as I know McAfee cleanboot uses a custom combination of NTFS4DOS and FreeDOS that is embeded with the program... at least I thought it did... I could be wrong... QUOTE also, have you tried this yet? With NTFS Dos any time I would try to copy from an NTFS partition to any other partition, the files would all have skips in them. Music and Video would skip. Zip archives, etc, would be corrupted with CRC errors, etc. Does this do better than that. No... I have not experimented with this yet... but I have not had any problems related to corruption with it (as of yet)... also, the chkdsk and defrag programs appear to work very well... It could be that I am only playing into marketing propaganda... but Datapol claims in the documentation that NTFS4DOS uses a NATIVE solution to access NTFS volumes from a DOS environment... and its competitors use a CAPTIVE implementation... i.e. think linux NTFS drivers that can lead to corruption. or it may be that the version of NTFSDOS was "buggy" or something... I don't know... I have never tried NTFSDOS... My advice would be to setup a virtual machine with two or more disks and boot NTFS4DOS and check to see if you have any issues with coruption when making a copy of a partition... If I experience any problems related to corruption... I will report them here... |
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Oct 28 2004, 04:04 PM
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Silver Member Group: Members Posts: 141 Joined: 17-February 04 Member No.: 4,238 |
I thought Cleanboot was using Datapol Dos or whatever, unless datapol is using FreeDOS which I found no documentation of...
The version of NTFSDos PRO I was using is the latest version available (v5). Here is a quote: QUOTE Data read from a file appears to be corrupt Since this work is based on reverse-engineering rather than official Microsoft specifications (which are reportedly available under special circumstances for large amounts of money), we do not guarantee data integrity of NTFSDOS drives. This is especially important if you are considering using NTFSDOS as a file backup utility. So maybe NTFS4DOS is a better implementation hopefully.. |
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Nov 3 2004, 01:41 PM
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Silver Member Group: Members Posts: 464 Joined: 28-January 03 Member No.: 18 |
I just checked some stuff.
It's a mystery to me as where the Ramdisk part comes from. Compatibility with FreeDOS command.com: under MSDOS, just replace command.com by the FreeDOS version of it. then, add to config.sys the following line: shell=a:\command.com /P Also you might need to create another config.sys for FreeDOS. |
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Nov 3 2004, 02:06 PM
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Silver Member Group: Members Posts: 464 Joined: 28-January 03 Member No.: 18 |
Guys, anyone interested in me creating a FreeDOS-only version of the bootdisk?
even a MSDOS + FreeDOS on one bootdisk is possible, but not redistributable.. |
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Nov 3 2004, 04:06 PM
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Silver Member Group: Members Posts: 445 Joined: 31-January 04 Member No.: 3,932 |
QUOTE Guys, anyone interested in me creating a FreeDOS-only version of the bootdisk? That would be great... as I don't really have a lot of time to look into this myself at the moment because of College... so I say go for it...QUOTE MSDOS + FreeDOS on one bootdisk is possible, but not redistributable.. Right... that's one of the reasons I am trying to use it with FreeDOS exclusivly... |
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Dec 2 2004, 03:20 PM
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Silver Member Group: Members Posts: 464 Joined: 28-January 03 Member No.: 18 |
I made one, pointed the NTFS4DOS makers to it, but haven't heard anything and decided to remove it.
FreeDOS + NTFS4dos works great, but their installer does not like a FreeDOS diskette. (bootsector + kernel.sys) |
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Dec 2 2004, 07:46 PM
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 Gold Member Group: Members Posts: 786 Joined: 26-July 04 From: Australia Member No.: 6,792 |
It might be a bug in freedos command.com. Try using 4dos.com as the command processor under freedos (4dos is free too).
-------------------- /* rexx calculator */
numeric digits 80; parse arg chalk; interpret "cheese=" chalk ; say cheese |
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Dec 2 2004, 08:10 PM
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Silver Member Group: Members Posts: 464 Joined: 28-January 03 Member No.: 18 |
Wendy, what bug?
you simply need to modify the shell line in config.sys: SHELL=A:\COMMAND.COM A: /P try it on an MSDOS bootdisk: http://freedos.sourceforge.net/freecom/pac...3ak/xmsswap.zip the FreeDOS command.com does work under MSDOS, just like 4DOS can. Generally, we tend not to limit our programs, like MS does (require same version of own OS, for example). I can make another disk if you want me to. Key is to take a MS bootdisk, let the NTFSDOS installer create your bootdisk, then copy all the NTFSDOS files to a directory on harddisk, take a blank diskette, install FreeDOS on it (SYS A:) and copy the NTFSDOS files to diskette. Finally, you have to modify config.sys and autoexec.bat, as well as creating a fdconfig.sys file (because we use a different menu system). |
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Dec 2 2004, 08:58 PM
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Gold Member Group: Members Posts: 786 Joined: 26-July 04 From: Australia Member No.: 6,792 |
I am quite aware of freecom, and how it works under all sorts of operating systems without limits. I used it myself. The reactos cmd.exe appears to be a win32 port of it.
However, the ntfs4dos might be looking for one of the more undocumented features, that 4dos might support. The basis of this is from my experience in runing PC-DOS and MS-DOS command.com under OS/2. You can do this, by putting setver "command.com=7.0" [both work successfully], but to make this work, you need to launch a command.com session. Given that setver loads in config.sys, i figured it must be some undocumented interface of command.com or something. In any case, i have not really tried to run ntfs4dos, since bartpe does a good job of accessing ntfs partitions. I was offering it as an alternative, based on my past experience with command.com from other DOS's under OS/2. W -------------------- /* rexx calculator */
numeric digits 80; parse arg chalk; interpret "cheese=" chalk ; say cheese |
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Dec 2 2004, 11:47 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 8-March 04 Member No.: 4,639 |
Check out this package, I noticed it has FreeDos with NTFS reader for DOS.
http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ |
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Dec 3 2004, 08:13 AM
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Platinum Member Group: Moderator Posts: 4,309 Joined: 25-July 04 From: Italy Member No.: 6,779 |
Just to make things a bit clearer:
NTFS4DOS is by DATAPOL used to be commercial, has recently been released as freeware for personal use only. http://www.datapol.de/dpe/ NTFSDOS (Read only) is by Sysinternals Has alwaysbeen free (but Read Only) http://www.sysinternals.com/ NTFSDOS PRO is by Winternals (Commercial Version of Sysinternals) Has always been commercial http://www.winternals.com/ jaclaz -------------------- - Fighting against bloatware since 2004, and proud of it. -
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