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Hello everyone! I should make bootable CD with Windows98 or WindowsMe, but I don't know how to do it. If someone can help me, please write me please about it.
bobby100
You need to use image of boot floppy ( with El torito drivers ) .

If you burn your Bootable CD with Nero then point to your floppy image ( you will find this section in Nero very easy ).

Try to have fixed Drive letter for your CD ( autoexec.bat & config.sys ) if you want to make Install Menu ( to make install process more automated )
alias
You can also use UltraISO,It's simple to creat a bootable CD.
this-is-me
check out litepc.com :blushing.gif>>
Xhargh
If you just want to run win98 from cd, then there is a guide here http://www.heise.de/ct/Service/English.htm/99/11/206/
cyber
hey,
hi ..
@Xhargh

QUOTE
98 in just 4.38 MB


hey Xhargh cud u plz.. give a brief idea on it...

i have heard 98-on-cd... buti cid not find anything of it...
cud u plz.. explain me is the aboe 4.38 MB a live 98 bootable cd...

hey the link u gave it does not open in my browser.. it always says time out...
cud u provide the new or other link..

see ya!
bye,
cyber
Xhargh
QUOTE (cyber @ Oct 18 2003, 04:35 AM)
hey,
hi ..
@Xhargh

QUOTE

98 in just 4.38 MB


hey Xhargh cud u plz.. give a brief idea on it...

i have heard 98-on-cd... buti cid not find anything of it...
cud u plz.. explain me is the aboe 4.38 MB a live 98 bootable cd...

hey the link u gave it does not open in my browser.. it always says time out...
cud u provide the new or other link..

see ya!
bye,
cyber

My homepage Nano98 works, the page about getting win98 to boot from cd (http://www.heise.de/ct/Service/English.htm/99/11/206/) works too.

It is possible to get a small version of windows 98 to boot from cd (it is actually even easier since the ramdrive hasn't have to be so big).
xJulian
But better don't expect it to be as useful as WinPE. smile.gif I tried it myself, and not a single program I tried actually ran, all complaining about missing DLLs. The system is more useful as a multitasker for DOS, it seems to me.
betaluva
here,s a link to site which is beter than the Heise site,http://www.lachiesadicristo.it/w98cd/default.htm
pumuckl
Hi,
I did the c't CD years ago using Win95b.
The programms I added - a lot - did all work including internet access.
The point of missing dll's is caused by the installation programm.
Many dll's and other system files are copied during installation to the windows\system-dir.
When the exe-file of an installed programm is started it looks for the dll's required FIRST in the dir were the software was installed. If it does not find the dll is searches the path and will therefore find the requested dll's in the windows\system-directory.
The easyest way to get an installed software 'stand-alone' running is e.g. on the a.m. bootabel CD is to collect all system-files (dll's and others) in a new directory e.g. \#32 for the 32-bit dll's and for win 3.1 apps the dll's into \#16.
Include those to directories \#32 and \#16 in your CD and set the path to point to this - best before \windows and \windows\system.
If you then start the apps from the CD the required dll's are found due to the pointer of the path-variable.

The more precise method in looking what dll's and system-files are copied during the installation to the windows-dir is to use an install-tracer like INCTRL3.EXE (its better to my few than version 4 and 5)
Instead of using run/setup (or whatever it is in the english windows version) you call up INCTRL3.EXE and let it start the setup.
You are asked for a report name and where to store this report.
After installation AND before rebooting (if the install programm requires this) save the report and use it to identify what system files are copied to the winows-dir.
These files copy back to the apps-dir (were you installed) and the exe-file will find the required dll's emidiately.

With this method I got most apps of Office 97 running from a CD without the need to ahve it on my harddisk.
To check the result is to make an image of your boot-drive c:,
then install the apps using INCTRL3.EXE, copy from the windows-dir back to the apps-dir and restore the old image.

Now you can check if the installed app is running directly.
Many do this : PaintShop, older Photoshop, Total Commander, Opera, Netscape, Open Office etc.

Good luck!

tongue.gif
xJulian
Nice attempt, but I was talking about the 5 or whatever MB Win9x versions. On these, almost no program will run. For example, I remember I tried WinZip, but it wouldn't work without Windows' version.dll.
Xhargh
QUOTE (xJulian @ Oct 19 2003, 11:03 AM)
Nice attempt, but I was talking about the 5 or whatever MB Win9x versions. On these, almost no program will run. For example, I remember I tried WinZip, but it wouldn't work without Windows' version.dll.

You are correct, if you want to run anything - then you'll need to add the necessary dlls. And there is no networking, no sound, etc etc.

But, it starts very fast when it's started from a ramdrive, and it is almost hardware independent smile.gif
pumuckl
....maybe that was misunderstood:
for a bootable W9X-CD e.g. c't CD using Win95b you need not to add the apps into the boot-image. They are burned in folders in the root of the cd.
If the apps can request the dll's - either from the apps-dir or from the path-veriable e.g. \#32 - than the sofware will run from the cd which is fast once the application is loaded.
The same you can doe with PE-Builder 'Folder to add' or so...
These folders will appear in the root of the CD - thy do not need to be in the ISO - and the app can be started via the exe-file so the will run from PE-Builder.
The c't approach was to start Win9x from the CD but only ini and registry files are keeped in a ram-drive which keeps the amount of required ram low - as I remeber it was only 2mb.
If you want to do internet you have to configure it before you transform it to a cd-rom version, which i could.
But keep in mind it was - much more work than mentioned in the c't article.

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cyber
hi,
guys...

hey i heard that there is 1.44mb floppy image which boots 98 with desktop and internet browsing...

hey actually i forgot the name of it...
if any one knows it ...
plz... let me know...


bye,
cyber
bobby100
@cyber

I think that you heard about QNX demo.
It fits on floppy and have GUI ( desktop ) with internet browsing.
Xhargh
@cyber

I don't think it is possible to shrink down win98 to that size. As bobby100 writes, there is (was?) a QNX version that booted into a desktop with an internet browser.
xJulian
Yeah, and there always is http://www.menuetos.org.
cyber
@xJulian
hey,
actually i have seen it 2-3months a go.. but the guy who had it is not here he is out for studies...
it wasa around 1.2MB or so...
it booted the 98 with its org bmp... and its desktop...
i don't know the name..

hey one cud u give me the link for download for the QNX floppy Image...

menetos....
hey i tried this its good enough

hey xJ.. do u have some more links or mini-os that cud fit on floppy... or not more than 10Mb or so..

see ya!
bye;
Cyber
Xhargh
It is impossible to boot win98 from one single floppy. Here are some file-sizes from my nano98-project (these files are necessary)
CODE
gdi.exe       345K
kernel32.dll  471K
krnl386.exe   127K
shell.dll     127K
shell32.dll   330K
user.exe      550K

These files are compressed if possible, and some are even from win95 to make the total size smaller. Sum the sizes (1950K) to see that these files alone are bigger than a floppy.

Please, prove to me that I am wrong cool.gif
cyber
@Xhargh

hey guy ,
thanks...

hey cud u plz.. tell me some more name of such project ...i.e. boot up the system from floppy... and let u browse the net..

and plz.. anyu link of QNX 6.2.1..


see ya!
bye
cyber
Xhargh
@cyber
a couple of years ago, it was possible to download qnx from get.qnx.com, but it looks like they have removed the floppy.

Another place to look for tiny things are www.tinyapps.org.
cyber
@Xhargh


hey,
thanks for it...Xhargh..

the site i very imprressive...
wat all i need is there in that site..

hey,
i did like to learn some things such as integrating new tool,removing...
and or say 'recompiling'..


is there any site or tutorial where i cud find this. stuffs..
actually, i did like to make my own QNX disk... contain the programs i want.
hey,Xhargh .... plz.. help..


see ya!
bye,
cyber
xJulian
http://www.osdev.org/projects.jsp <-- There you have enogh. wink.gif Dunno how many of them are usable.
cyber
@xJulian

hey thanks,,

it a very good site,
but i cud not find the QNX part on it..

well i found out how to make ur own OS...

hey, anyone haas anything or site or links about the tut's of QNX plz..
put it on...

thanks xJulian,



see ya!
bye,
cyber wink.gif
xJulian
http://www.qnxzone.com/downloads/demodisk/ contains both disks, one for modem internet access and one for LAN, as far as I have understood.
cyber
@xJulian

Thanks, i took the modem version..

hey do u have some sites where i cud learn about recompiling thingo..

actually, i did like to add some more things in the QNX floppy...
and i did like to make..(just thinking)of making a client and server version of this QNX floppies... so if used in LAN it cud be of great use for browsing the internet and copying things..(proxy server type thiongo..)


hey anyone cud plz.. tell me how do i detect my HDD in QNX floppy..
i know how to mount the partitions,,... since i am using knoppix..

but i want to auto mount all the partitions using the QNX floppy while it boots..

any opinions ... thankfull...
any tutorial for learning how to go about it... i.e. doing all the recompiling stuff in the linux...QNX..

hey guys, plz.. help..

see ya!
bye,
cyber
xJulian
I have no clue about QNX myself. laugh.gif No idea.
cyber
@every one..@


hey does any one has any guide for making...or any tutorials...or
any stuff reguarding... the QNX ...



i did like to add some stuff in it and customize it to my needs../

hey plz.. help..




see ya!
bye,
cyber
betaluva
xhargh, why are you including user.exe, as far as i know its only needed for 16 suppport,not win32
cyber
@xhargh

hey,
hi xhargh

ur win98 in just 4.38MB is really orking good..
hey, i have got some ques???

1)i did like to add some programs of my own to it..
2)i want it to boot from cd (not HDD) ... i.e. Live-98 CD booting..like the knoppix does its own..
3)i did like to browse internet and download some stuffs..(browsing Net)..

hey,xhargh
plz.. look into it.. smile.gif


see ya!
bye,
cyber
Xhargh
QUOTE (cyber @ Oct 27 2003, 03:49 AM)
@xhargh

hey,
hi xhargh

ur win98 in just 4.38MB is really orking good..
hey, i have got some ques???

1)i did like to add some programs of my own to it..
2)i want it to boot from cd (not HDD) ... i.e. Live-98 CD booting..like the knoppix does its own..
3)i did like to browse internet and download some stuffs..(browsing Net)..

hey,xhargh
plz.. look into it.. smile.gif


see ya!
bye,
cyber

1) If you want to add some programs, then you'll have to make sure all needed regs are in the registry and all needed files are in the path.
2) I've made a really small bootable win95 cd, I followed the instruction on the instructions here http://www.heise.de/ct/Service/English.htm/99/11/206/. I haven't tried it on a nano98, but it should work. During bootup it creates a ramdrive using xmsdsk, unpacks nano98 onto it, and starts it. (Don't forget to hack io.sys)
3) No network, but if you'll manage to add network support, tell me how and I'll update my page smile.gif

Remember: nano98 can only use 640x480 in 16 colours
cyber
@xHargh


[/QUOTE]
I've made a really small bootable win95 cd, I followed the instruction on the instructions here http://www.heise.de/ct/Service/English.htm/99/11/206/. I haven't tried it on a nano98, but it should work.
QUOTE
thanks for it xH.. i will give it a try... smile.gif

hey,
QUOTE
ohmy.gif
Remember: nano98 can only use 640x480 in 16 colours

cannot we change it display property..???? of nano98
i did like to change its display.. how can it be done..xH..
it requires some drivers or etc..????

QUOTE
I've made a really small bootable win95 cd


hey,actually i was thinking if u cud post/upload ur nano98..cd image..ISO..
it wud be great thing for me..since,i just have only one HDD of my own..now
so,therefore i cud not format it..and my all work is going on it.. so if u
cud just upload ur win98cd (nano) bootable image u created it wud be great..
and i cud start work on networking in nano98..
plz.. xhargh


see ya!
bye,
cyber
cyber
@xHargh

QUOTE
I've made a really small bootable win95 cd, I followed the instruction on the instructions here http://www.heise.de/ct/Service/English.htm/99/11/206/. I haven't tried it on a nano98, but it should work.


thanks for it xH.. i will give it a try... smile.gif

hey,

QUOTE
ohmy.gif
Remember: nano98 can only use 640x480 in 16 colours
cannot we change it display property..???? of nano98
i did like to change its display.. how can it be done..xH..
it requires some drivers or etc..????

QUOTE
I've made a really small bootable win95 cd


hey,actually i was thinking if u cud post/upload ur nano98..cd image..ISO..
it wud be great thing for me..since,i just have only one HDD of my own..now
so,therefore i cud not format it..and my all work is going on it.. so if u
cud just upload ur win98cd (nano) bootable image u created it wud be great..
and i cud start work on networking in nano98..
plz.. xhargh


see ya!
bye,
cyber
cyber
sorry,

messed up a bit with the posting..

late nignt..




bye,
cyber
Xhargh
@cyber
I will not post/upload nano98.


To change resolution in nano98, you'll have to add some graphics driver...
cyber
QUOTE
@cyber
I will not post/upload nano98.
ok,xH no prob's i will figure out some way to my problem..
thanks for ur response..

QUOTE
To change resolution in nano98, you'll have to add some graphics driver...


hey, how do i go about it..xH...
i most of the time use knoppix..or damn small linux.. for browsing net..
good thing is it detects the hardware and accepts it..so i can set the resolution i want ...
but for nano98 plz.. help me how cud i got about ..
i am little trouble in here..there so many graphics/video cards/drivers..

1)how do i auto-detect them and load its appropriate drivers..

hey,xH plz.. help me..

see ya!
bye,
cyber
Xhargh
QUOTE (cyber @ Oct 28 2003, 07:39 PM)
1)how do i auto-detect them and load its appropriate drivers..

I have no idea
cyber
hey,
anyone out there cud help me ....

@Xhargh
hey,how cud u change the resolution in nano98..
r there any (.exe's,.dll.vxd).. files needed..

hey do u know any site or forums where qnx development is on...
like tutorials etc..
i did like to learn some recompiling in linux..to get start off my QNX development..

@xH
i am trying to load all the network .vxd,.dll.. drivers for some cards let me make sure if it works..
yesterday, got an .exe file(whatadap.exe) used for detecting devices..
and ifadap.exe for detecting adapters and auto-loading drivers...
let me check it out ...

hey @xH ,
r there any other develpoment going in windows.. which cu help in the development.. for creating a disk with small size and all basic necessities..
using nano98 and live bootable..hey, cud share it plz..

see ya!
bye,
cyber
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