2Feb2008

Greetings.

I have some input regarding the BartPE CD.
I didn't want to have 4 CDs -
BartPE
UBCD4W
UBCDos
WinServ2003 SP2 (i386 source).

I finally have UBCDos running under UBCD4W
thanks to help from the UBCD4W forum.

On my own I have enhanced my BartPE CD.
I found no conflicts between the i386 directory
on my source CD & the BartPE CD.
I found that no i386 subdirectories
needed to be copied to the BartPE CD.

At first I copied all the i386 source files
(5.975 files @ 457mb)
to the BartPE i386 directory.
The BartPE CD ran just fine & I successfully
used the BartPE CD as my source CD
for building BartPE & UBCD4W isos/CDs.

Then I identified the i386 source files
that the PEBuilder uses for building either
a BartPE or UBCD4W CD
(1,374 files @ 155mb).
Again the BartPE CD runs just fine & I successfully
use the BartPE CD as my source CD
for building BartPE & UBCD4W isos/CDs.

My point is that I think the BartPE Builder
could offer an enhanced i386 directory
with four options -
copy no i386 source files;
copy i386 source files for BartPE;
copy i386 source files for BartPE & UBCD4W;
copy all i386 source files.

Probably which options one selects pre-Build
affects which i386 source files the PEBuilder uses.
I suppose the BartPE & UBCD4W developers
could develop a laundry list of (all potential) i386 source files.

In any case, the BartPE CD is only about 25% full.
I find making use of the remaining CD deadwood/empty space
by storing i386 source files there works well.
I see no point in filling up the BartPE CD with apps/utils.
UBCD4W exists for that.

I tested/examined most of the BartPE plugins.
Some are out of date.
The TinyHex programmer/publisher has seemingly retired.
I have not been able to download from the Deep Burn website.
The Deep Burn files @ download.com are out of date/sync
with the downloads @ the Deep Burn website.
I could not access the BGinfo download site.
It's probably difficult to keep up with PE add-ons.

Regards,
AEN
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Hi AEN, first, it's not necessary to copy all i386 XP sources files into your BartPE CD.

Second, I didn't understand why you are building a BartPE CD with all i386 files to use as a source for another BartPE disk, sorry if I misunderstand but for me this makes no sense... As a source all you need is a direcctory that contains the XP-SP2 CD files content, nothing much... PeBuilder will take the files it needs from this source according to the plugins you are using, needed files are contained in the INF of each plugins...

Third, yes, some plugins may be out of date since sometimes people are posting a first version and are not maintaining them much. This is your job to build your own CD and working with it. The forum is a LARGE source of information and very usefull if you have questions about nearly everything related to PE systems.

For me, I'm mostly writing my own plugins, this is the option with less troubles for my needs, but this is addictive and demands a lot of time.
And if you search a little, you can find un large number of real quality plugins in this forum... many are experienced users, thanks to them.

Hope this helps, regards.
FileCity

2Feb2008
Greetings.
Thanks for the reply.
1) I know it is not necessary to copy all/any
i386 source files to the BartPE output CD.
I have my reasons. If one does not understand
or sees no value in that, then it seems to me
one is missing the point.
I prefer to have one full CD
with a functioning BartPE & all i386 source files on it
for future re-Builds of BartPE or UBCD4W CDs
instead of having two partially full CDs -
one BartPE CD & one i386 source CD.
2) I have my reasons. If one does not understand
or sees no value in that, then it seems to me
one is missing the point.
I prefer to have one full CD
with a functioning BartPE & all i386 source files on it
for future re-Builds of BartPE or UBCD4W CDs
instead of having two partial full CDs -
one BartPE CD & one i386 source CD.
3) I just mentioned the plugin situation in case
anyone in charge would find it useful to hear the feedback.
Regards,
AEN
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AEN, for your i386 source files, you are the only one here I'm sure to work like this, so you may have real difficulties to have help for this here...

For your outdated plugins concern, you are free to post in the thread for each of them and ask for help, or rebuild them and post an updated version on the forum as we do often, this will help more than asking... This is a community project and you can freely contribute, this is appreciated by overyone here.

As I told you, make a folder on your HDD called Windows_XP_Pro_SP2_CD, copy the entire XP CD there, and use it a your source. This is not necessary to include all files in a PE disk, as you will take up all CD space and will not be able to use the space for plugins, and a PE disk without plugins/softwares is useless... and remember, in a base PE environment, more than 70% of the files in the i386 folder of an XP disk, are not even called so you can save space to write something else usefull...

The files you need should be added in your plugin INF files... This is the right way to do things.
I can suggest you to use UBCD4WIN if you don't have time to learn how to write plugins, this can be long for complicated applications... UBCD4WIN works out of the box so this can be your right choice.

Take care,
FileCity

2Feb2008

Greetings.
Thanks for the reply.

We don't see things quite the same.
I does't matter to me whether
BartPE sees value in my input or not.

Among other things, having the i386 source
files filling up the deadwood/empty space
on the BartPE CD provides a valuable backup.
When one loses use of the original i386 source,
one could have a problem.

In any case, NEVER MIND.
I don't need the PE Builder to put
the i386 source files on the CD.
Thanks to help from the Bootable CD section
I have finally found how to recreate
the bootable PE.iso from the output
folders the PE Builder previously generated.

I use the UBCDs as an "Ultimate Boot Disk".
I use BartPE to run DIxml off of a CD,
which is better for imaging
and absolutely essential in some recovery situations.
My XP laptops run UBCDs fine.
My dinosaur laptop has real trouble loading UBCD4W
(but not UBCDos or Parted Magic under UBCD4W).
The dinosaur loads BartPE fine,
which is crucial because I cannot run
DIxml on the WinME dinosaur except in the PE.
Regards,
AEN
Æ

Hum.... Anyway, I personnaly don't even see the point to backup a Windows install CD in the same CD as BartPE... Burning a spare CD is more usefull... Or simply buy a USB hard disk and backup valuable data into it twice a week. So even if your PC or house is catching into fire, you will not loose any data, and the backup drive should not be at the same location to avoid this... This makes more sense to me, and is the right way to do things like I think most people here do, I'm sure...

If you have any more questions regarding PeBuilder, feel free to post again.

Regards.

3Feb2008
Greetings.
The right way to to things ... ???
The BartPE CD is up to 75% blank.
To my perspective leaving the CD
up to 75% blank is NOT the right way to do things.
Neither is making the BartPE & UBCD4W redunant.
Regards,
AEN
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Considering a CD costs less than $0.10 worrying about filling it seems unfounded. Do you worry about filling your HD too?

Maybe you could also consider filling up the lines when you type as well. Are you trying to emulate a newspaper?

Too funny I'm leaving this thread, it makes my day...

BartPE is a system that can be adapted for nearly any situations, but if you want to fill it up, just creates a file named EMPTY.BIN, put zeros in it and adapt it to the remaining space of your CD, it will be full...

And we can also persue the RIAA for selling CDs that are not entirely filled and told them that we feel like loosing money, we pay for media space lost, geezzz...

Congrats paraglider for your Titanium status I will need a new keyboard and two other hands if I want to race...

see ya...

Just for the record, since I also like not wasting space, I used a slightly different approach , squeezing a bit my BartoE with the apps I needed and burned it on a 180 Mb mini-CD, which is also much more convenient to carry with you.

jaclaz

To add this feature you would have to talk to the author of the program. No one here can add it (well..)
If YOU want to add the i386 folder, then add it, it is quite straight forward.

3Feb2008

Greetings.

I don't want or need the feature added.
I simply made the posting
in case anyone (else) might
see the value that I do.
I travel all the time.
Now I can carry two CDs
(combo UBCD4W/UBCDos & BartPEi386)
instead of four CDs.

I see that the "elders" here
receive status through conviviality.
Keep patting yourselves on the back ...

I thank those in the Forum
who have replied to my postings.

Regards,
AEN
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Ok, I'll bite, why are your postings so narrow? Are you using a cell phone to post?

And using the BartPE CD to build other BartPE CDs would appear to border on being outside the MS EULA so further discussion of it should cease.

3Feb2008
Everybody here that?
A big cheese ...
A big cheese at the CD Forum has spoken!

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Ok, AEN, your are really ridiculus...

We are here to help, really, I told you what to do in my opinion to avoid you wasting YOUR time and start to play with BartPE the wrong way... BartPE is a fantistic compiler that allows us to repair and maintain systems when they crash. M$ guys are really not the best for writing efficient code for this so Bart creates this tool, thanks to him...

So, if you still needs help on how to work efficiently with BartPE, it will be a pleasure to help... but I hate to waste my time with people that comes here from nowhere and told us to work THEIR way... You have posted 13 times here and you have a bad reputation to me... I'm working with BartPE on a daily basis since 2003, I post plugins sometimes ( my last one was NOD32 3.0 ), I put a least 10 or more hours to have it tested and I hate to waste my time.

Do you still need help, it's your last chance...

Sorry if I got too far, I'm tired and hungry !

Regards.

P.S. Ed_P, I think you're right on this... bengt, hum........... Do I need a ASCII table to read the post ? Got it, too funny !!!!!!!

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Yep, and moreover AEN did a tragical "newbie" error !

He mentioned the unspeakable word, he doesn't know what could happen if Frodo finds this thread while searching for his daily supply of "solid food prepared from the pressed curd of milk, often seasoned and aged"..... and finds that the word has been used improperly....


jaclaz

@FileCity
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Hi everyone!

Glad to be back to the forums but I'm afraid that this topic isn't directly related to winbuilder even thought the needed steps to automate the results that AEN requires can be ported as wb scripts.

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Reading the topics I think it may well be possible to achieve the intended results of AEN.

I've tried some time ago to combine several XP/2003 based sources and found that the solution which worked best on my case was using BCDW so that the resulting ISO could boot multiple instance of XP PE based OS's and still be used to install windows on the target computer (or be used as source if desired).

You'll need to use version 2.01 of BCDW to achieve this result --> http://bcdw.wolfgang-brinkmann.de/bcdw_e.html

Also advice to the read the included documentation on both 2.01 and 1.50 versions to learn how it can be used or google around to solve your doubts.

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This method is demonstrated at the UXP project here: http://www.boot-land.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=3651

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When combining several I386 folders together I noticed that it was fairly easy to boot into the PE environment but it would give complications when dealing with txtsetup.sif (tested with liveXP) since some values need to be different for each configuration to work, I've written which keys and sections needed to be changed some time ago.

I couldn't remember very well where it was posted at the time (sorry) but I had written a small program to help compare two ini files (txtsetup.sif's) and produce a resulting file that was used on this mix of I386's.

http://www.boot-land.net/forums/index.php?...mp;showfile=154

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To get enough space on your CD, I would recommend using MKISOFS along with the option to combine all duplicate files on the ISO compilation and this way manage to fit all your I386 based boot disks along with the original files from the Windows install I386.

This was discussed a lot of time ago when talking about Windows AIO (All In One)



http://www.911cd.net/forums//lofiversion/i...php?t16997.html

Hope the extra space gives enough room for the DOS based image or any other boot disk you wish to include.

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In overall - it shouldn't be too hard to create the sort of disc you're looking for, but it should take a fair amount of learning how each step/tool can be combined (and automated?) to work the way you expect.

Good luck with this goal.

Have a nice weekend!