Hello everyone,

First of all sorry for my bad english. I'm a frenchspeaking person.

So what's the problem.

PeBuilder, french patch included, was mounted with DriveImage XML. CD was burned as bootable CD.

When CD PeBuilder is started as bootable CD, PeBuilder screen appears, programs and so one.
But, from DIXml, it's impossible to see the HD for backups when I clik on "next".

The following message appears: " You must have administrator rights in order to access physical or logical drives"
So I clik on "Help" and this message is coming: " MS Html is not installed on this PC".

I'm the only user of this PC. I made then the following test: starting PeBuilder CD when XPPRO SP2 is running.
No problem. The HD are visible and backup's are possible...

Did I made a mistake by mounting PEBuilder (it's my first experience with this)?

Thks for helping to resolve this problem .

regards

Bonjour, je parle bien en français et je peu faire le translation pour anglais si vous voulez.

The error you mention is not related to MS HTML - this only occurs because you are trying to use the help system and this hasn't been implemented on your boot disk.

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Ask yourself - which hardware to you have in the computer where you are trying to boot?

If you have hard disks of type IDE then you would be fine - but most computers on these days come bundled with SATA drivers and these require drivers which were not included on the Windows XP Install CD by default.

What do you need to fix this issue?

Create a boot disk with SATA drivers.



If you like a similar system to bartPE then try out ubcd4win, otherwise you can also try liveXP that comes with driveimageXML inside or VistaPE - all of these come with full SATA support along with a set of nice goodies to use on your machine.

Another option is injecting the SATA drivers by yourself - use the search function inside this forum or from google to retrieve more relevant informations. You might also take some interest on DriverPacks that add a huge bundle of drivers to a XP install CD.

Good luck!

@kool56

Is the backup drive a USB drive? If so is it plugged in prior to booting? Is it a network drive? Are you able to see the backup drive using A43?

@ Nuno Brito

You're right! I forgot that aspect of my hardware system and indeed I have SATA HD...

So! My PeBuilder with DiX works only for (P) ATA HD then..

And you advise me to create a new boot CD with the SATA Drives. But I have 3 PC (1 with XP Home SP2 SATA HD- 1 with
XP Pro SP2 SATA HD and 1 laptop with Vista Premium SATA HD.

It seems to be very complicated for me. I'm not a specialized informatician. But with a good tutorial, it could be possible...

I tryed Clonegenius 2008 (free version still available) and no problem.

But I prefer PeBuilder for the challenge to build somethng with plugins ( more options , choises,...)
So what? (like says - played- Miles Davis)

@Ed_p

No,the backup drive is not a USB drive and it isn't a network drive.

Which hardware do you use?
Which mass storage drivers do you use?

If you know drivers, add selected drivers:
Adding drivers http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/help/english/drivers.htm

Or add a driver pack from http://www.driverpacks.net/
http://users.pandora.be/jtdoom/basetute/Ba...PE_HelpFile.htm

@cdob,

Hye

Thks for the kinks;
I found this one(mass storage pack).

I suppose that when I'm mounting PEBuilder with those drives for SATA , it's going to work.
My hardware config:
1) AMD 64 3500+ 929 Maxtor Sata 16OG
2) AMD Athlon XP 1800 + Hitachi Sata 160 G
3) Intel T2130 + unknow sata 16 G (in laptop ; I have to check with SIW or Sandra) with Vista recovery disk

And what if I mount the sata drivers from the mainboard CD of the both first one?

Thks + regards

Good night (it's 7 am here...)

For additional info only...


You listed the type of CPU and the type of hard drive the systems had... neither of those count here. What does count in each case is the make/model of the hard drive controller AND the partition type used. Lets ignore the partition type for now.

That means the only important part we are looking at ( at this time ) is the HDC or hard drive controller. Window by itself supports some but by no means all HDC's directly. So many PATA and SATA HDC's will also require a driver to be able to access the drives attached. Without these drivers you would not be able to see the files on the drives.

Now back to the subject of partition types that we ignored a moment ago. Windows already recognizes certain standard partition types but there are some types it doesn't recognize without a driver... GoBack partitions, partitions created using drive overlay software as well as some others for examples. Today these are not as common as they once were but they can not be ignored either. If your drives use any of these non-standard types of partitions, the hard drives themselves will be recognised but not the partitions ( or data ) they contain. Again, since these are less common let's assume you don't have this type of partition for now.

So, now you know you need drivers for many if not most HDC's. The DriverPacks.net drivers are the most complete set of drivers you can find anywhere... period. There is still a chance that even these will not support some drivers since new ones come out all of the time. So the odds are that they will support what you need but there is never a guarantee.

@ rdsok,

Morning - and to others too,

I understand now. I hope so...

Config:

1) on XP Pro PC : 3 principal partitions NTFS C:\ 30G D:\ 60G and E:\ 60G
2) on XP Home PC : for the moment 1 principal partition NTFS C:\ 40G ( PC needs to be configured correctly; I need time)
3) on Vista Laptop: 1 principal NTFS C:\ boot and 1 extended or full logical FAT32 D:\ Recover . The constructor created
a 31,3G partition containing only 7 G of recover data. Some french users advised me to don't touch at this recover
partition. I think that it's to big and that it's possible to reduce it with Gparted for example...or?
Type of HD (following Sandra) WDC WD1600BEVS--22RST (ATA)


Under XP

I made a test with Dix on PeBuilder CD bootable for simple ATA HD. It works.

During the launching of PeBuilderCD, there is a message for installation of the SATA Drivers (F6).
If I launch PeBuildeCD on a PC with sata HD and I have a floppydisk containing the sata drivers of the installed SATA HD,
it could be possible then to include the sata drivers by F6 or not? Are those drivers for that PC going to be included in PeBuilderCD then?

under Vista

Clonegenius free don't need those drivers and it works for Vista.
see here for download : Clonegenius 2008 free version . It's a french site.

Because I have a Vista recovery disk, it's impossible to build a VistaPE CD . Or? If not, I'm using then Clonegenius...

Thks for your help and reply...

regards

Hi kool56,

I really recommend trying out some of the projects I've mentioned earlier because they are likely the best solution for you to avoid complicated solutions.

Using a Vista DVD you can build a VistaPE under XP or Vista: http://vistape.net - It's a cool project and driveimageXML can be added inside even thought it won't be possible to run the shadow service (I never used it anyways), here's a topic you might take some interest in reading: http://www.boot-land.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=3565


If you want to solve this matter using XP then I'd recommend LiveXP because it comes with full SATA support and DriveImageXML is also included as default, download the builder here: http://winbuilder.net/download.php?list.3

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None of the above mentioned projects are difficult to understand and modify - go ahead and give them a try to see what I mean.


Bonne chance!

Yes, you may load mass storage drivers from floppy. Each time at boot.



I don't understand clearly.
F6 floppy loaded drivers does work.
Of course there are not included to a burned CD. CD is readonly.

If you want to include the drivers on your CD then use the driver pack referenced by Cdob or determine which drivers are required by each of your PCs and add them to subdirectories of drivers\SCSIAdapter. Create a directory for each of your F6 driver disks and copy the contents to this subdirectory ( some times you may need to edit the txtsetup.oem files - check the pebuilder.log after building to make sure the driver files were copied - if not simple changes to txtsetup.oem are required ). Read help\english\drivers.htm for further information. As long as you don't require different versions of the same driver with the same name then you should not have a problem. The driver packs attempt to solve this problem by renaming driver files.

If you don't get anywhere with any of this then try some of the alternate approaches suggested by Nuno Brito.

I'm still playing with DriveImage XML under VistaPE. I do not have the VSS running. But I have some more information.

Vista implements "Transactional NTFS", allowing better error recovery. As far as DriveImage XML is concerned this means that Vista keeps the $LogFile file open on all NTFS volumes in the system, and therefore NTFS volumes are never lockable under Vista no matter what the boot media is.

For backing up, without VSS and without locking, DriveImage XML has to hope that no program modifies the disk in any significant manner while it's backing up. This may be a reasonable hope when booted from a VistaPE CD. However, since you can back up a partition with DriveImageXML while booted from your hard disk, I recommend you do that whenever possible rather than using DriveImage XML under VistaPE.

Restoring is the big question mark. Because of Transactional NTFS, you just aren't going to be able to restore to a partition that is formatted as NTFS (unless someone can figure a way to turn TNTFS off, which I doubt). But DriveImage XML can't see anything but formatted partitions, so you can't restore to an unformatted partition. I think that you could format the target partition as FAT32 and then restore an NTFS image, but I haven't yet had the cojones or the time to try this.

It seeems that the best way to use DriveIMage XML is an XP-based boot CD with appropriate drivers or driver packs installed.

Hi everyone,

First of all thanks for all you replys. Very kind. Now I have to read, to understand, to translate in french and then to build.
In french we say : " qui ne risque rien, n'a rien" . It coudt be translated like this: " Who's never take a risk, get nothing".

I'm going to see this tomorrow and I give, for sure, further info of my buildingCD experiences...

regards

PS: sorry for my bad english. I feel so much mistake during this reply...

Well, you haven't seen our French!!

Hello everyone,

I have read a lot of pages today.

I hope I have understoud.

1) Winbuilder is a program like PeBuilder
2) with WB it's possible to build one of the following projects : see here
3) the LiveXP project offer a lot of programs : see here
4) A mounting of a lot of those program-scripts are possible with see here APIScripting

Here I stopped. It's to dark in my mind for now. I don't know how to use - and I didn'ty found that APIScripting program.

Is this all correct?

Momently conclusion:
I'm going
1) to rebuild a CD with the drivepack under PEBuilder.
2) to test that under my 2 XP PC,
3) to create a floppy disk with the SATA driver for my laptop,
4) to plug in my USB floppydriver on the laptop,
5) to launch the builded CD and use F6 to obtain access to HD of the laptop...

Does it seems to be raisonable?

In a secund step, I'm going to create an other CD with winbuilder and LiveXP but for that I need some more information
concerning that script affair...


Thks + regards . Nice afternoon, evening, morning or night for each of you!

Yes, Winbuilder is a program like PEBuilder
http://winbuilder.net/news.php



Yes, that's it.
If you boot BartPE, harddisk should be available now.



A F6 floppy is not required anymore.
Drivers from 1) are integrated at CD.

You do not need to personally know anything about the 'api' -- unless, of course, you want to write scripts (WB's equivalent to pebuilder's plugins) yourself. All you really need to do is download the LiveXP project within WinBuilder, point it to your xp or 2k3 source, and hit 'play' -- an iso will be generated and finally tested with qemu. If you still don't have access to your harddisk after this, I can guide you though integrating the latest DriverPacks mass storage driver pack into the build which should gain you access.

Regards,
Galapo.

pebuilder is actually very limited in its options and choices in comparision to WinBuilder. With WinBuilder you can script user interfaces where an entire array of options may be presented, none of which are really possible with the current pebuilder. For example, the interface options of my script for OfflineSysPrep
simply cannot be configured like this easily to dynamically build each time without much work.

Regards,
Galapo.

Hello,

Hoping that my step by step reflexion is ok now...before building

I'm going to build a new CD with WinBuilder.

1) I follow this installing tutorial

2) Then I download LiveXP in which DiX is included

3) I plug in the DrivemassStorage pack thanks to DrivePacks Base following this tutorial

4) But how I'm going to plug in the programs that I want: see here ? for example HDTUne or PC Inspector Files recovery

Thks and regards

I think you're still a bit confused.


#1 - The Installing tutorial that you mention will teach you how to download projects from the web using the download center inside wb.



#2 - If you use the internal download center as mentioned on #1 then you won't need to download any package from http://winbuilder.net/download.php?list.5 because the internal download center will get you the most recent versions.


#3 - No need to integrate any mass storage pack - it's already included inside the liveXP project.


#4 - There are two ways to add your app scripts.

• First (prefered) - go to the internal download center, select the liveXP server on the tree list and check the scripts found inside the "Apps" folder, it contains a huge list of software to download where certainly you'll find what you refer.
  
  
• Second - If you prefer to do things manually, open the winbuilder folder with explorer, you'll find a folder called "Projects". Inside this folder you find another folder called "LiveXP". This is where all respective files for this project are placed and it's where you can place your scripts.
  To keep things organized, all app scripts are placed inside the folder called "Apps".

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wb is meant to be quite simple.

• Download WinBuilder.exe and place it on a empty folder
• Get the projects you like from the internal download center
• Click on the Play button

If you try the liveXP project then these 3 steps should be more than enough to get a boot disk with the features you require like DriveImageXML and SATA support.

Hello, (Nearly Solved)

After reflexion and a lot of reading and testing, I builded DiX + DriveMassStorage pack with PeBuilder.
It wasn't easy (it's my first experience). But it's was very plaisant to me because of I'm very severe.
That's the reason that I choosed PeBuilder in place of WinBuilder who seems to be easyer.
Why doing complicated when a easy way exist? So that after that you know it...

Procedure:
1) install PeBuilder
2) download DrivePack MassStorage
3) download DriverPacksBase
4) create the DrivePack MassStorage plugin thanks to this tutorial
5) launch PeBuilder and mount.

It works on my 3 computers ( one XP Pro SATA HD - one XP Home SATA HD - one Vista laptop )

Conclusions:
1) a lot of thanks too all the members who so kindly helped me,
2) its'nt solved yet. If I can see the different HD, I need to make the backups ,
3) I'm going to do some backup tests, crash a little partition, rebuild it and restore the backed up partition,
4) Now I wan't to know how to build all those plugins. I had - and still have - problems .
5) I downloaded a lot of them but impossible to active ( cab files don't exist, are corrrupt or uncomplet!? )
6) for example: PCInspectoreFiles recovery and Firefox ==> crash during building.
7) If you couldt give me some info or example so that I can try and build succesfully those plugins, it would be nice.
8) Afterward, I'll test a build with WinBuilder...

Thanks + regards

Some plugins include the utility or free app that they are built for, but many plugins are to add apps to BartPE that you already have installed on your pc. Some of the apps may be free sw but not always. Read the htm files that come with the plugins. They usually include steps or direction on how to get the files you need to complete the plugin.

Hello everyone,

I have made a UBCD4WIN CD and it seems to works fine.
Just some problems with Firefox included. No network connection!?

In case of one of you had some idea...

But I don't forget my intention to create a Winbuilder CD . next step...

Thks + regards

PS: I'm stupid . I forgot to accept the networking connection. It' works.
See you later for Winbuilder CD.

Sorry for disturbing...