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fuwi

Jan 11 2010, 11:10 AM

I've uploaded a new version of my z_FuwiKicker plugin: http://www.fuwi.ethz.ch/files/z_FuwiKicker.zip

This version is completely independent from the standard UBCD4Win Kicker plugin. It is using his own bootloader (fuldr) and menu-file (fwbk.lst)
and it is a little bit better commented and documented.

BTW: It is also possible to create a UBCD4Win-USB Boot drive with my 'Bootable USB-Drive Utility'. The installation is identically as descripted in post #1.
The best place for the associated BartPE-plugin (USB-Boot_Utilities) is the Add-Ons folder in UBCD4Win-Builder.

fuwi

fuwi

Jan 12 2010, 04:13 AM

@AEN

QUOTE (AEN @ Jan 8 2010, 06:16 PM)

Would it be possible at sometime to add to the mb BPE CD the option»
Press any key to boot from the CD ...

go to the Multiboot_Bart-CD plugin, grub4dos_files, add the menu item 'Boot from Harddisk' to menu_kickboot.lst:

CODE

default 0
timeout 10

gfxmenu = /BOOT/GRUB4DOS/gfx-PE_theme

title Boot from Harddisk \n
chainloader /ntldr

title Boot BartPE \n BartPE - the Windows Rescue and Repair Environment
chainloader /I386/SETUPLDR.BIN

title Kick-Boot my external BartPE-Drive \n Boot BartPE from external device (USB, Firewire, SCSI etc)
map --mem --read-only /BOOT/IMAGES/ChainBootPE.img.gz (hd0)
map --hook
find --set-root /ntldr
chainloader /ntldr

title Others \n
configfile /menu2.lst

title Reboot \n Restart the computer
reboot

title Shutdown \n Power off the computer
halt

this new option boots WinNT, Win2000, Server2003 or WinXP from the Harddisk

fuwi

mastershake

Jan 17 2010, 08:03 AM

Sort of a noob at this stuff. I have created the bootable BartPE USB with some extra boot floppies and ISO's (ie. parted magic). Everthing works great - thanks FUWI!!

I also created the kick-boot CD - which works great too - except it only boots into Bart. How can I get it to boot the whole USB so I can access the menu2.lst with all my other goodies.

Thanks for the help.

mastershake

Jan 23 2010, 10:51 PM

I've been checking the forum - no answer yet. So consider this a *BUMP* - even though its a sticky.

Is this something that's even possible? Thanks.

Bastian

Jan 23 2010, 10:58 PM

Sometimes creating a new topic for a question gets more attention.

jaclaz

Jan 24 2010, 03:08 AM

@mastershake
The kicker boot is "by design" limited to boot ONLY the specific PE or XP build that it was made for.
In other words it is not a "general boot from USB solution, it is a "specific" one, uising the XP Kansas City Shuffle approach:
http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=21242

In order to have the USB boot supported on a non BIOS compliant PC, you need to use PLoP:
http://www.plop.at/
http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html

which provides an USB stack that extends booting capabilities.
In your case you can create another "kicker" CD with PLoP only (there is a pre-made .iso image on the homepage) or "integrate" PLoP in the same PE kicker CD.

jaclaz

mastershake

Jan 24 2010, 04:31 PM

@jaclaz - Thanks, that's was what I suspected - that the kicker was designed that way. Thanks for the new lead.

edit: Wow PloP works great as a kicker CD. I am going to try to integrate it now into the Fuwi kicker. Thanks again!!

fuwi

Jan 25 2010, 09:40 AM

Here some of my experiences with the PLoP bootmanager (PLoP started from a Boot-CD via grub4dos)

On machines that don't have BIOS-support for USB-booting, the PLoP USB-Boot function seems to work very well.

On machines that have BIOS-support for USB-booting, the PLoP USB-Boot function doesn't work (hangs in the USB-menu),
even if the USB-support is disabled in the BIOS.
On such machines, the attached USB-drive ist listed as "HDB PARTITION 1" (if HDA is the internal HD), and one can boot
this USB-drive via "HDB PARTITION 1".

On some machines the graphic PLoP-menu is disturbed, nearly unreadable, e.g on Lenovo T60.
So it's better to config plpbt.bin to "vm=text" with plpcfgbt.exe

Pro's and con's of PLoP USB-boot versus Kickboot (Kansas City Shuffle method):
* PLoP can boot a USB-drive completely with his bootmenu, Kickboot can only boot the WindowsPE-part of the USB-drive
* PLoP can also boot other OS'es from USB-drive (like Linux, DOS, etc), Kickboot only WindowsPE
* Kickboot can boot a USB-drive via a USB PCMCIA/PC-Card or via a USB-Hub, PLoP cannot do that
* if the USB-drive is created with my 'Bootable USB-Drive Utility', PLoP can only boot the "Kick-Boot BartPE (fast) entry from the USB-drive's bootmenu -> the "Boot BartPE" entry gives a "NTDETECT failed" error
* ...

fuwi

jaclaz

Jan 25 2010, 10:33 AM

QUOTE (fuwi @ Jan 25 2010, 03:40 PM)

..... Kickboot only WindowsPE
* Kickboot can boot a USB-drive via a USB PCMCIA/PC-Card or via a USB-Hub, PLoP cannot do that

...and XP and also from firewire, etc. :
http://www.boot-land.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=5487
http://www.boot-land.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=6672

jaclaz

fuwi

Jan 25 2010, 11:07 AM

Another contra of PLoP:
Within one hour intensive testing with about 6 different USB-sticks, PLoP has killed the partition table on 2 sticks.

I had to repair this sticks with testdisk...
Perhaps PLoP reacts a bit sensitive when disconnecting a USB-drive at the wrong time...

fuwi

fuwi

Jan 25 2010, 11:11 AM

empty...

fuwi

jaclaz

Jan 25 2010, 12:12 PM

QUOTE (fuwi @ Jan 25 2010, 05:07 PM)

Perhaps PLoP reacts a bit sensitive when disconnecting a USB-drive at the wrong time...

AFAIK it behaves more or less like if you strip a IDE connector from a hard disk with the disk spinning and the OS writing to it.....

.... I mean the "plug 'n play" of USB is an OS "superstructure", not an "embedded" feature of the device.

I presume (but don't want to try it

) that the same happens for DOS USB drivers.

jaclaz

mastershake

Jan 25 2010, 03:36 PM

Fuwi and jaclaz,

As long as we are on the subject - I hope you don't mind an additional question.

I was trying to integrate the PloP kicker with Fuwi's kicker and am having some issues.

I extracted the menu.lst from Fuwi's kicker and added the GRUB4DOS commands. I then recompiled the ISO with the new menu.lst and plpbt.bin. These are the GRUB commands I added.

CODE

title PLoP Boot Manager
root (hd0,0)
kernel /plpbt.bin

When I select PloP the VM restarts.

Thanks,
Jay

jaclaz

Jan 25 2010, 08:15 PM

I don't get it.

Is the /plpbt.bin on a hard disk device? (JFYI (hd0,0) means first partition of first hard disk) or on the CD?

You should read the grub4dos guide:
http://diddy.boot-land.net/grub4dos/Grub4dos.htm
EXPECIALLY:
http://diddy.boot-land.net/grub4dos/files/syntax.htm
http://diddy.boot-land.net/grub4dos/files/basics.htm
http://diddy.boot-land.net/grub4dos/files/cli.htm

Use command line when experimenting.
Remember that to grub4dos CDFS is CaSe sEnSiTiVe.

jaclaz

mastershake

Jan 25 2010, 09:05 PM

Thanks again. After reading the grub4dos manual again. Honestly I did read it before I posted. I added a find --set-root for plpbt.bin and what do you know - it works.

jaclaz

Jan 26 2010, 05:38 AM

QUOTE (mastershake @ Jan 26 2010, 03:05 AM)

I added a find --set-root for plpbt.bin and what do you know - it works.

Yep

that is "by design"

jaclaz

fuwi

Jan 26 2010, 10:59 AM

@all

New version of my 'Bootable USB-Drive Utility' available (v1.8.0)

-> Info's & download link for the new version in the first post

fuwi

ChinaDragon

Jan 29 2010, 01:46 PM

@fuwi

Great tools, it work fine for me,

Just have problem when
BootFrom=mbr
UpdKicker=1

The budu.cmd line 690 will prompt for Y/N that create Boot-Kicker Image or not
If user select Y then call %DrvLetter%\Create_WinPE_Kicker-CD.iso.cmd and then goto label :END
We can found the label :END located at line 733 that just after the label :Finishing (line 718), in such case, if BootFrom=mbr, the batch will not cater it !

Just try to move this part to line 338, it work fine now

CODE

if "%BootFrom%"=="mbr" (
    :grub_in_mbr
    MbrFix.exe /drive %DrvNum% savembr %Temp%\mbr.tmp >nul
    Bootmanager\grub4dos\grubinst.exe --skip-mbr-test ^(hd%DrvNum%^) >nul
    Bootmanager\grub4dos\chboot\copysgcs.exe %Temp%\mbr.tmp \\.\physicaldrive%DrvNum% 0x1B0 >nul
    del /f /q %Temp%\mbr.tmp >nul
    echo. & xecho "grub4dos installed in MBR" /a:0E
) else (
    :grub_in_bootsector
    :: install grub4dos in the bootsector of the BartPE-Partition on the USB-Drive:
    Drv.exe GetPartNum %DrvLetter%
    set PartNum=%errorlevel%
    mbrfix.exe /drive %DrvNum% /partition %PartNum% setactivepartition /yes >nul
    rem mbrfix.exe /drive %DrvNum% generatesignature /yes >nul
    set /a PartNum=%PartNum%-1
    Bootmanager\grub4dos\grubinst.exe --skip-mbr-test (hd%DrvNum%,%PartNum%) >nul
    touchdrv.exe %DrvLetter%
    echo. & xecho "grub4dos installed in Bootsector" /a:0E
)
goto COPY

Also line 730 will prompt for error too

QUOTE

Xecho is not recognized as an internal or external command,....

Likely the batch switch the working directory to the %DrvLetter%, change it to
echo. & "%WorkDir%"\xecho "The Bootable USB-Drive Utility has finished, press any key..." /nolf

Problem gone

fuwi

Feb 2 2010, 11:05 AM

@ChinaDragon

i've verified the bug, thanks a lot!

can you test my corrected budu.cmd? http://www.fuwi.ethz.ch/test/budu_v1.8.1.zip

fuwi

ChinaDragon

Feb 3 2010, 06:58 AM

QUOTE (fuwi @ Feb 3 2010, 12:05 AM)

@ChinaDragon

i've verified the bug, thanks a lot!

can you test my corrected budu.cmd? http://www.fuwi.ethz.ch/test/budu_v1.8.1.zip

fuwi

@fuwi

You are welcome, it is my pleasure, will report on it soon......

ChinaDragon

Feb 3 2010, 09:40 AM

QUOTE (ChinaDragon @ Feb 3 2010, 07:58 PM)

@fuwi

You are welcome, it is my pleasure, will report on it soon......

@fuwi

Many thank, problem gone, all work fine now.

fuwi

Feb 3 2010, 09:53 AM

@ChinaDragon

thanks, next i will update the whole utility to v1.8.1 on my server

fuwi

Feb 8 2010, 04:54 AM

@all

New version of my 'Bootable USB-Drive Utility' available (v1.8.1)

-> Info's & download link for the new version in the first post

fuwi

VeeDub

Feb 10 2010, 12:18 AM

@fuwi

I would like to include an entry in the menu.lst which allows me to get to the grub4dos command-line, is this possible?

VW

Bastian

Feb 10 2010, 12:38 AM

The command "commandline" does that.

VeeDub

Feb 10 2010, 01:14 AM

QUOTE (Bastian @ Feb 10 2010, 04:38 PM)

The command "commandline" does that.

Thanks, figured there had to be a way. The grub4dos readme seems to assume you know the "basics" and concentrates on more in-depth material.

fuwi

Feb 10 2010, 02:20 AM

@VeeDub

An other way to the commandline prompt is to hit <esc> in the graphical menu, then press <enter> to leave the graphical menu.
Now you are in the standard textmode grub4dos menu, hit 'c' and you are on the commandline

fuwi

BhishmaR

Feb 27 2010, 09:50 AM

I was not using BartPE nor following its later developments for a couple of years.
I wanted to getback into it, with the USB boot method. Fuwi's "Bootable USB-Drive Utility" seems to be a better & flexible method, after doing some quick initial search, even though lack of adequate documentation is the major drawback for a new-user.

A couple of questions though:
1. When I last left bartpe there was a restriction, that i should build with Win-XP-SP2 source. (NOT SP3).
Is this still valid, or I can use SP3 with some trick?

2. The host system (for running this utility to create the bootable usb ) can be either XP or Win7 ?

Thanks & regds

Ed_P

Feb 27 2010, 01:15 PM

QUOTE (BhishmaR @ Feb 27 2010, 09:50 AM)

A couple of questions though:
1. When I last left bartpe there was a restriction, that i should build with Win-XP-SP2 source. (NOT SP3).
Is this still valid, or I can use SP3 with some trick?

2. The host system (for running this utility to create the bootable usb ) can be either XP or Win7 ?

1. SP3 does not appear to be a problem for many members.
2. The host system should not matter.

Both responses from someone who's PEBuilder runs on XP systems and uses SP2 for it's source.

fuwi

Mar 2 2010, 05:57 AM

@BhishmaR

QUOTE (BhishmaR @ Feb 27 2010, 03:50 PM)

2. The host system (for running this utility to create the bootable usb ) can be either XP or Win7 ?

There is only one limitation of the utility under Win7 (and Vista?): it is not possible to create a new USB-drive with NFTS
(but this is checked by the utility):

fuwi

jaclaz

Mar 2 2010, 06:53 AM

@fuwi
Please don't tell me that you can actually read the dark red text on black background in the posted image.

My spectacles are rather expensive, and been notoriously cheap

, I would like NOT to have their lenses changed once again

.

Now seriously, can you explain why it is not possible under Windows7?

Maybe there is a workaround.

Namely this one (putting disk "offline"):
http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=23627
http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?sho...=23627&st=1

jaclaz

fuwi

Mar 3 2010, 10:29 AM

@jaclaz

QUOTE (jaclaz @ Mar 2 2010, 12:53 PM)

Now seriously, can you explain why it is not possible under Windows7?

i try to reply tomorrow (or so), i'm currently very busy...

fuwi

Thomas Jung

Apr 20 2010, 06:06 PM

Hello,

there is a file touchdrv.exe inside the archive,
but there is no help from/within the commandline.

What is the purpose of that touchdrv.exe?

fuwi

Apr 21 2010, 02:55 AM

@Thomas Jung

touchdrv.exe corrects a problem if grubinst.exe installs grub4dos in the partition bootsector (not in the mbr).

The problem is:
If there are file copy operations (e.g. in a script) to the same drive AFTER grubinst.exe, the bootsector reverts to the previous state.

If touchdrv.exe is called immediately after grubinst.exe, it reads the newly created grub4dos bootsector and writes it immediately
back to the partition (permanent).

read this http://www.boot-land.net/forums/index.php?...ost&p=38845

touchdrv.exe is made by Bean123 http://www.boot-land.net/forums/index.php?...ost&id=5774

fuwi

fuwi

Sep 21 2010, 04:16 AM

@jaclaz

Do you know where are the postings from yesterday (September 20 2010) in this thread?

It was the discussion about integrating Parted Magic 5.5 in a bootable USB-Stick.

fuwi

jaclaz

Sep 21 2010, 08:06 AM

QUOTE (fuwi @ Sep 21 2010, 11:16 AM)

@jaclaz

Do you know where are the postings from yesterday (September 20 2010) in this thread?

It was the discussion about integrating Parted Magic 5.5 in a bootable USB-Stick.

fuwi

Yes.

(not because I have anything to do with their move, mind you , only because I know how to search

).

Someone

has moved them to this new thread:
What about adding any of the UBCD4Win MultiBoot plugins, to the Fuwi BartPE MultiBoot CD?
without posting a link to them here

.

BTW I personally do approve of the move as Kostanz's original post is a form of thread hijacking....

jaclaz

Ed_P

Sep 21 2010, 08:23 AM

QUOTE (jaclaz @ Sep 21 2010, 09:06 AM)

without posting a link to them here

I also split off the last posting to here:

Fuwi USB kickboot utility works , but not well on one of my XP laptops

Sorry for the confusion.

fuwi

Sep 22 2010, 02:58 AM

Thanks jaclaz & Ed_P

fuwi

Konstanz

Sep 25 2010, 11:43 AM

QUOTE (AEN @ Aug 16 2009, 04:18 AM)

I hope you are OK with input/suggestions about your awesome utility.
I would also split the "Build Kickboot iso" (if possible) into two questions.
1) Enable Kickbooting USB stick?
2) Build Kickboot iso?

The Kickboot option is now not directly a part of the Fuwi USB MB, but I would like to ask/know if it would be possible to have the (new) create kickboot option ask to build the iso or not. Creating the kickboot would go much faster without building the iso and maybe would not need to open a virtual drive?

fuwi

Sep 27 2010, 05:42 AM

QUOTE (Konstanz @ Sep 25 2010, 06:43 PM)

'Fuwi USB MB' -> from which utility do you speak?

fuwi

Konstanz

Oct 1 2010, 06:35 PM

QUOTE (fuwi @ Sep 27 2010, 05:42 AM)

'Fuwi USB MB' -> from which utility do you speak?fuwi

The "Put BartPE on a USB stick utility" that creates/runs the Create_WinPE_Kicker-CD.iso.cmd ... the older version of this Fuwi utility used to ask about running the Create_WinPE_Kicker-CD.iso.cmd after formatting a stick and putting BartPE on it ... Now one has / is able to separately run the Create_WinPE_Kicker-CD.iso.cmd to make the BPE USB stick kickboot itself (not a CD). My thought is that the Create_WinPE_Kicker-CD.iso.cmd could/should ask if I want to only enable the USB self-kickboot or also build a kickboot iso for a CD.

QUOTE (Konstanz @ Sep 25 2010, 11:43 AM)

Creating the kickboot would go much faster without building the iso and maybe would not need to open a virtual drive?

fuwi

Oct 4 2010, 07:04 AM

@konstanz

edit the main-script 'BOOTABLE_USB-DRIVE.cmd':

CODE

:: if UpdKicker = 1: ask for recreating the Boot-Kicker images after creating or updating an USB-Drive.
set UpdKicker=1

kickboot always needs to open a virtual drive, regardless with or without building the iso.

fuwi

Konstanz

Oct 9 2010, 08:29 AM

Thanks for the reply. I guess my ques/sugges/tion is not clear.
1) One has to run create bootable iso to make the Fuwi MultiBoot USB stick kickbootable.
2) I want kickbootable Fuwi USB sticks but do/can not need/use the created iso; so
3) maybe the create bootable iso cmd could/should ask if I want to only enable the USB self-kickboot or also build a kickboot iso for a CD.
Making the change

QUOTE

set UpdKicker=1

only puts the bootable iso question back into the "Put BPE on a Fuwi stick" sequence.
If I create a Fuwi stick without running create bootable iso, the Fuwi stick will not kickboot, so I have to run create bootable iso.
I would like to be able to run create bootable iso WITHOUT actually creating the iso - only making the Fuwi stick kickbootable ...

fuwi

Nov 5 2010, 10:22 AM

QUOTE (Konstanz @ Oct 9 2010, 03:29 PM)

I would like to be able to run create bootable iso WITHOUT actually creating the iso - only making the Fuwi stick kickbootable ...

Done. Read history in post #1 and download the new version 1.8.8

fuwi

Jan 12 2011, 09:51 AM

@all

New version of my 'Bootable USB-Drive Utility' available (v1.9.1)

-> Info's & download link for the new version in the first post

fuwi

fuwi

Jan 13 2011, 09:56 AM

@all

New version of my 'Bootable USB-Drive Utility' available (v1.9.3)

I've made some enhancements for the the integrated PEBuilder-Plugin

readme.txt in USB-Boot.zip in folder PEBuilder-Plugin:

QUOTE

PEBuilder plugin for the 'Bootable USB-Drive Utility'
-----------------------------------------------------

This plugin has been tested in a absolute minimal PEBuilder configuration,
only this 5 plugins are enabled:

- A43 File Management Utility
- Bootable USB-Drive Utility
- RamDisk
- Nu2Menu
- Startup Group

The 'Bootable USB-Drive Utility' works perfect, with this 2 restrictions:
- a USB-Stick must be connected before BartPE has booted.
- at the end of creating a bootable USB-Stick, the automatic reconnect doesn't work.

This is because the absence of USB-Plug'n'Play. So it's strongly recommended to
use a PEBuilder plugin for USB-Plug'n'Play. If you haven't any, you can use the
one attached to this plugin: usb1394.zip, adds only 3.5 MB to your build.

If you whish to have other default settings in the 'Bootable USB-Drive Utility',
you can change some settings in 'BOOTABLE_USB-DRIVE.cmd' (in the files folder).

Note:
-----
The usb1394 Plug'n'Play plugin supports hot plug of USB-Sticks and USB-HDD's.
But if you boot a BartPE-CD with integrated usb1394 Plug'n'Play, hot plugged
USB-HDD's are not visible in the 'Bootable USB-Drive Utility', only USB-Sticks.
If you whish to create a bootable USB-HDD from the booted BartPE-CD, you have
to connect the USB-HDD first, then boot the CD.

The easier way to do that is to insert the BartPE-CD in a running Win XP/Vista/Win7
machine and start the 'Bootable USB-Drive Utility' via 'Bootable USB-Drive Utility.cmd'
in the CD-Root. Now USB-HDD's are also visible in the 'Bootable USB-Drive Utility'.

-> Info's & download link for the new version in the first post

fuwi

Oom Erik

Jan 15 2011, 04:05 PM

Thanks for this new version.
Needless to say: works perfectly

BR,
Erik.

fuwi

Jan 18 2011, 03:32 AM

Many thanks Erik

fuwi

NeTTecH

Jan 19 2011, 09:58 AM

Thanks fuwi,

Really appreciate this utility ........ many thanks

fuwi

Feb 3 2011, 08:30 AM

@all

New version of my 'Bootable USB-Drive Utility' available (v1.9.7)

-> Info's & download link for the new version in the first post

fuwi

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