I know DIX and BartPE require either the MMC or XPE plug-in to use Windows' Disk Management. I don't want to use the shell-heavy XPE, so I'm down to MMC. The problem is it requires a RAM drive, which I don't have.

Which version of the MMC plug-in should I download?
Which other plug-in(s), if any, are required to use it?
Which BartPE plug-in(s) must be enabled or disabled to use it?

Also, do I need a plug-in to use my USB drive in BartPE?

Hi Erick C


this is the header of the mmc plugin I use, it does not need XPE to work



If you are using Bart's PEBuilder you get a ramdisk of size = 32MB by default (%ramdrv% = B: = %temp%)


To use usb devices - plugin them in before switching PC on
for Hotplug of usb devices a plugin is required

; usb plugin Created by Mick Leong
; Plugin Repository: http://lunarcal.tripod.com/WINPE/WinPE.htm
;

regards
Mike Barnes

Mike, I don't understand you. Where do I paste that code? Don't I have to download the MMC plug-in?

The link for the PnP USB drive plug-in you provided isn't valid.

try a little searching on the (almost) same homepage...

or just click here:

the downloadlink does not work however...try this for the USB1394.zip

and the MMC plugin here

Thanks, ben. Do I select SP2.cab at C:\WINDOWS\ServicePackFiles\i386, or C:\WINDOWS\Driver Cache\i386 to slipstream Windows XP Service Pack 2 onto my BartPE disc?

Hi Erick C


This a link to AEC's version I mentioned above, it does not need XPE

http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?sho...p;hl=911EXP-MMC

(you have to copy & paste the sections of coded text into notepad to join them up)
unfortunately you can not create long sections of code in 1 block of code
(at least you could not in previous versions of the forum software)

You need to read the correct FAQ on how to slipstream SP2 or SP3 into XP it is nothing to do with SP2.cab

since PEbuilder can slipstream spX into XP why not use that method (Source / Slipstream)

with contents of XP CD copied to c:\xpcd or d:\xpcd and copy of full version of SP2 or sp3
(several hundred megabyte download or available on CD)
pebuilder will do it for you without having to go to command prompt


regards

Mike Barnes

Mike, that's what I'm talking about: slipstreaming SP2, using BartPE. I have an OEM version of XP Home SP1, and I installed SP2 from the Microsoft CD, but I don't know where I should tell BartPE to look for the SP2 files?

Use a search machine, keywords: slipstreaming SP2
There are a lot of hints. E.g. http://www.helpwithwindows.com/WindowsXP/w...sp2-bootcd.html
You don't have to create a XP Bootable CD.

Use the updated XP SP2 source files to create a BartPE.

Hi Erick C


On the SP 2 CD there will be a large (200 or 300Meg) file which contains name similar to windowsxp-kb936979-sp3-x8x-enu.exe
(this is the name of the sp3 version (enu = English language))

You can leave it on the CD but slipstreaming will run faster if the file is on the hard disk
It helps to shorten the name to sp2.exe.

PeBuilder / source / slipstream will ask for the location of the XPCD files and Service Pack file
(eg if xp cd contents is copied to d:\xpcd\ and d:\xpcd\i386 has most of the files the source is d:\xpcd not d:\xpcd\i386)

Provided your XP CD has not been changed significantly from the Microsoft version by the OEM the above method will work

I see you have been to www.ubcd4win.com so I expect you no longer need the MMC plugin for Computer Management

regards

Mike Barnes

Mike, can't I insert the XP SP2 CD, direct BartPE to the CD-ROM drive, and BartPE will automatically locate and copy the SP2 files it needs?

The fastest way to find out would be to try it.

Hi Erick C

If you mean a XP CD which already has Service Pack 2 you do not need to slipstream it

If you have a Microsoft authorised CD which contains Service Pack 2 for XP
then it contains a number of updates which are not included in SP2 (eg dot.net etc ... )
so you need to know the full name of the service pack file

PEBuilder will pass the commands needed to update the folder containing XP source files to ????SP2?????.exe
As I said the process runs faster if you copy this file to hard disk & rename it to SP2.exe

It is SP2.exe which does the work not pebuilder which just passes it the location of the XP source files.

[example command for slipstreaming sp3 c:\> C:\XPSP3.exe /integrate:C:\XPCD ]


regards

Mike Barnes

Ed, I don't wanna create a coaster or damage something.

Mike, are you saying that because I have XP SP2 installed, I don't need to slipstream it with BartPE and BartPE will copy the SP2 files to disc?

Also, I understand that I need to copy and paste those five blocks of code into Notepad for the MMC plug-in, but what do I name this file and where do I store it? PEBuilder\plugins?

If you have errors they should show up when you run PEBuilder. And you don't have to burn a CD when you run PEBuilder. I also recommend using virtual machines and CD-RWs. Nobody ever creates a BartPE CD 1 time.


Yes, PEBuilder plugins are stored in the PEBuilder\plugins folder.

The MCC plugin MBarnes referred you to consists of 5 text files, 2 of which are posted in pieces due to limitations in the board's software. The names of each of the files is the bold text on top of each block of code.

Hi Erick C

Are you are the same Eric who has been to the www.ubcd4win.com forum ?
If you have downloaded the ubcd4win project then that contains the same MMC plugin previously mentioned by Ed_P

If your XP CD has service pack 1 integrated then you can use that without worrying about slipstreaming

If your XP CD has no service pack then you need to slipstream the XP source files with service pack 2 or SP 3 for XP
The name printed on the XP CD should show what version it is .
If not look for a small file on CD
win51ip.SP2 for SP2 - win51ip.SP3 for SP3 (XP professional)
or
win51ic.SP2 for SP2 - win51ic.SP3 for SP3 (XP Home)

The Service pack level of the installed Operating System is not relevant to Building a BartPE CD

I found my Microsoft Service Pack 2 CD, it is confusingly named

Microsoft
Windows xp
Service Pack 2 with
Advanced Security Technologies

the file you need is called xpsp2.exe (size = 266MB) so its name has already been shortened

regards

Mike Barnes

Ed, so I create five Notepad files each with the names given, store them in the PEBuilder\plugins folder, and I have the MMC plugin? Don't I need to create a folder in the PEBuilder\plugins folder and name it something like MMC plugin, and then store the five files inside that folder?

Mike, yes, I'm the same Erick from the UBCD4Windows' forums. I inquired about it but am going to stick with the slimmer BartPE. My PC came preinstalled with an OEM version of Windows XP Home SP1. I ordered the Microsoft XP SP2 CD and installed it. Do I need to slipstream SP2 with BartPE, or can I just specify the source as C:\WINDOWS and BartPE will locate and copy the SP2 files and burn them to disc?

All I want to do is create a BartPE recovery disc on a DVD+RW, with DIX and the MMC plugin on it. This way if my PC fails to boot, all I have to do is insert my USB drive and restore my C: drive with DIX.

Hi Erick C


You can not use c:\windows folder as source of XP files to build BartPE CD
You have XP with integrated SP1 which can be used to build BartPE CD
it may be easier to use this disk than slipstream the contents of XP CD to SP2

Personally I would slipstream SP2 or SP3 into source files which means the XP CD contents Must be copied to Hard Disk first
Using pebuilder to do the slipstreaming would be easier than following the instructions in various FAQs

For MMC plugin
You would make a folder off Plugins eg Plugins\MMC and put the relevant files in that folder

PEBuilder will not make a XP SP2 CD out of a XP SP1 CD
It will build a pebuilder.ISO and optionally burn this ISO to a CD for you

Slipstreaming a XP service pack (into the running operating system or to the contents of a XP CD)
is a complicated process, not just replacing old files with new ones as there is a database of files with version details which has to be updated at the same time.


Personally I would recommend you use the ubcd4win project and remove plugins which are not required this may be quicker to do than produce a personalised fully working BartPE .

regards

Mike Barnes

XP SP2 CD contains XP SP2. This is not a installable windows.

Do you have a XP SP1 installable CD?
Does exist a directory c:\I386?
Which hardware do you use? Which OEM manufacturer do you use?

Mike, I've created a working BartPE disc, using the C:\WINDOWS directory, with the DIX plug-in. The problem was I didn't include the MMC plugin or XP SP2, because I didn't know BartPE or DIX needed them.

I don't have an XP Home SP1 CD. The OS (SP1) came preinstalled on my PC. I installed the Microsoft XP SP2 CD. Since service packs are culumative and I already have SP2 installed, can't I just use the C:\WINDOWS directory as the source, and BartPE will copy the needed SP2 files to disc?

No XP Home SP1 CD.

Yes, at C:\WINDOWS\I386, which I've used to create a working BartPE disc.

Which hardware part?

HP.

C:\WINDOWS\I386 is NOT c:\I386.

http://ubcd4win.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=13508

Which recovery cds do you pocess?


What's labled at outside of your hardware?

True enough but xp doesn't use a windows\i386 folder so maybe in this case the two are synonymous specially since the op has said he has build a bartpe system using it. I think he has an hp compaq machine but model is unknown.

I know they're not the same, but I did create a working BartPE disc, using C:\WINDOWS\I386.

A six-disc set of Compaq recovery CDs for my PC model.

What piece of hardware? Hard drive? Motherboard? RAM?

Then backup C:\WINDOWS\I386 to C:\XPCD.
Slipstream SP2: XPSP2.exe /integrate:C:\XPCD
XPSP2.exe is the big file at your XP SP2 CD. Use that file name.

Which Compaq model do you use?
Which hard disk do you use? Which size is the hard disk?
Did you replace or update the hard disk?
If the hard disk breaks, do you buy a new hard disk?

My model is an SR1030NX Desktop PC.

Model is an SR1030NX Desktop PC.
Hard drive is a Western Digital Caviar 160 GB.
No, I've been using the original for five years.
If this hard drive fails, I'll replace it with the same model and capacity.

XP SP1 should support drive. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/303013/

However a XP SP1 PE may destroy data: http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=12427
Either use XP SP1 files, but add mentioned KB331958 file. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/331958/
Your OEM files may contain this already, compare file version.

Or slipstream XP SP2 and use XP SP2 source files.

We know I want to slipstream SP2; we're trying to figure out how. Since service packs are culmulative (if you have SP2 installed, you don't need SP1), can't I simply insert my SP2 CD, copy all the files and folders to a new folder, and point BartPE there? Or, must I use the C:\WINDOWS\I386 directory as source and the SP2 files as slipstream source because SP2 doesn't contain core XP OS files?

Here's some information that may help:
I have a C:\WINDOWS\I386, C:\WINDOWS\ServicePackFiles\i386, and C:\WINDOWS\Driver Cache\i386 folder on my PC. Inside both the ServicePackFiles and Driver Cache folder, there's a SP2.cab.

No.

Yes.

It may be a good idea to copy C:\WINDOWS\I386 first.

Thanks for trying, guys. But I created another BartPE disc, using the C:\WINDOWS\I386 folder, and went with a much better disk and partition backup program than DIX (this one doesn't require a Windows Disk Management or other plug-in except the software's). Tested and passed. Bring it, boot failure!

14August2009
Greetings.
This thread seems to have been largely "off topic"
with no one noticing/mentioning that the title/topic is MMC plug-in help not slipstreaming.
After reading the thread I copied the !System-Core(023) UBCD4W plug-in folder
to my BPE plugins directory, ran a build, put the output (not iso)
on a USB stick (with Fuwi's utility) and was happy to see that the XP MMC.msc utilities
(Computer Management, Defrag etc) would load when launched
but then disappointed to see that they would not run.
I'm hoping/wondering if someone could reply without too much trouble
and advise how to enable XP MMC.msc utilities under BPE.
Any helpful replies/insights appreciated.
Thank you.
Regards,
AEN
Æ

UBCD4WIN is a package for a reason.

the systemcore relies on the environment and user-settings plugins.
If you do not use preshell, uncomment the startup values at the end of the environment plugin.

For the code for the MCC plugin refer to the link in this posting: http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?s=&...st&p=158128 above.

15Aug2009
Greetings.
Thanks for the replies.

Could/Would someone clarify what the following means?


Does the following

mean that one would also copy/add the "UserSettings" & "environment" folders
from UBCD4W to the BPE plug directory? I've looked at the E-S.inf file.
There is the "Define RunOnce-Execute startup values" section
and the "List of all plugin run-once entries in UBCD4WIN 3.0" section.
I guess I would uncomment all commented entries under "Define" but not "List"?
I'm not sure if I use preshell or not. I guess not.
What does "use preshell" mean? There is the Nu2Shell plugin.

Well, I'll give it a try, but
any helpful replies/insights appreciated.
Thank you.
Regards,
AEN
Æ