Dear Experts

Since years I tried many Live-CDs with different operating systems. Common for all is a rather long bootingtime between 100 and 200 seconds and in some cases even more. Recently I tried the newest Hiren-CD and found a bootingtime of 32 seconds. Analysing the CD I found a file containing a compressed image of a drive. The filesystem of the drive is compressed NTFS. The contents is the I386-folder of a XP-based operatingsystem.
To use this approach for a LIVE-XP I put the I386-folder in a compressed NTFS-drive. I compressed the image of this drive with cabarc.exe and replaced the sesulting file with the file XP.CA_ of a Hiren-CD. To my surprise this CD booted within 35 seconds. But it was not really usefull because the rest of the operatingsystem dosnot fit to the I386-folder. My knowhow is to poor to go further but I hope an expert can use this approach to create a fastbooting LIVE-XP.

best regards
Sparky

Rest assured that "experts" already know how to use this approach and similar ones and hopefully they do not use WAREZ, of which they also don't like to talk about.
Go to boot-land:
http://www.boot-land.net/forums/index.php?act=idx

Read, learn, and you will be able to have a faster booting LiveXP without using WAREZ.

jaclaz

Dear jaclaz

Why need all the live-CDs so much time to boot when all the "experts" know how to use this approachch?
Why is it WAREZ to use cabarc.exe?
What I have done which You don´t like to talk about?

best regards
Sparky

Its not. However Hiren-CD is warez. It redistributes copyrighted software without permission of the software authors.

Dear paraglider

Thanks for the fast and clear aswer. I agree 100%. I also will keep this forum free from warez.
But why not discuss an approach resulting in a boot in half a minute using legal methods. All the other methods I tested so far need minimum one and a half minute. For me is a rescuedisk not a toy but a tool. I prefer tools helping me to save time. Sorry, I apologize if a had used words that have made somebody angry, I still want to come to a fast booting rescue-CD. Please show me a way to reach this.

best regards
Sparky

In other words, and if you prefer, usually knowledge gathered "in the open" is used by WAREZ makers, like the guys who put together the Hiren's Boot-CD, it is rare that the opposite happens (the "good guys" learning from the "bad guys", though it can happen), but the point is that if you learn how do to things, you will know what you are doing, you will be able to fix problems and you will get help where you might not be able to find a solution for your problem yourself.

There is NO support (at least here) for WAREZ, and besides all the legal implications, you just get a "pack", like it or not, and you DON'T know what's in it, which can lead to problems.

Effect of using WAREZ:
http://www.boot-land.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=3833

Discussion about techniques used in WAREZ (so, yes, within limits, and knowing that one is walking VERY near the border line or exactly over it, it is possible, but be VERY careful):
http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=20836

Exact kind of discussion/thread we like to avoid:
http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=20833

The latter two being very similar and yet very different.

It is rather obvious that learning how to create your own fast-booting PE is a lot of work for you, but coming here saying "I use WAREZ, I've seen this feature, it's nice, I like the way WAREZ boot faster, why don't you guys start working on it", which is how I read your original post, seems to me like stating that WAREZ work "better" than legal builds, which is not actually true and sounds like a promotion of WAREZ, whilst in reality, and this is the sense of my reply, it is your particular legal build that boots slower, simply because you didn't take the time to learn how to build a better one.

And, as you can see from the two posted examples, been there, done that.

jaclaz

Building LiveXP with a cab-compressed image is no problem. Just select the option to cab-compress the image from the BootSDI script.

Regards,
Galapo.

Well, you took most of the fun out of this game....

jaclaz

Well, hopefully sparky will be able to quickly see that non-warez PE can boot just as quick as his warez PE. Hopefully he'll then be inspired to ditch his warez and also to learn for himself.

Regards,
Galapo.

Hi Galapo

I had the same hope as You. I hoped to get some help to bring down the bootingtime of LiveXP. Instead of I was accused of promoting warez. As jaclaz demonstrated in his last statment he is more interested to have fun and play games with members instead of providing help. When I am ill and go to a hospital, I hope to get help and not to get overbearing hints how to cure myself. My very first ask for help as a new member in a complete different case was quick and professional answered. In this case I feel to communicate with a total contrary forum.
I have still the hope that this fundamentalistic discussion can be brought back to a technical one.
For me the sequenz of questions is simple:
1. Is there a way to boot LiveXP in half a minute?
If YES > 2a. Are I am worthy to get that information?
If NO > 2b. How can we share our information to realize that?

best regards
Sparky

Hi sparky,

Sure it's possible to boot LiveXP in half a minute.

This can be reached by using RAM boot, see Newcomer's Tutorial - LiveXP with WimBoot by amalux

small hints:

It's useful to keep the build size small. (the hole image needs to be loaded to RAM)

And better add driver after boot than before.

Sorry, I guess I have been misunderstood.
I wasn't meaning fun "for me", I was meaning fun "for you", sometimes it is more interesting the path you take to arrive somewhere than the actual moment you do arrive there.
About myself not trying and helping people, judge yourself if there are grounds for it , this user appeared like satisfied :
http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?sho...c=23420&hl=


I hope you don't have an occasion to try this, but when you (and if) you willl need to go to the hospital, when you enter it is NOT advised that you start yelling "Come on guys, you are pretty slow, I've seen on E.R. that this can be done much faster!"



And the good thing is that also the sequence of answers is clear enough:
1. YES.
2a. YES.
http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollar...no-answers.html

Now you know that you have to further explore the different methods of booting LiveXP(or a similar PE build), reducing the size of the image that is going to actually boot and/or CAB compressing it.

jaclaz

hey jfx

Thanks for Your encouraging answer, it gives hope to reach the magic half a minute. Till now I have downloaded tens versions of LiveXP and have modified them many times. Nevertheless my best time was around 90 seconds. At the moment I stand at a dead point and decided to give up for the next time. In some cases the booting of an image took more time then straight forward booting. As I am not a fan of black magic I decided my knowhow is too poor to continue.

hey jaclaz

Lets come to an conciliatoy end.
It was difficult for me to see the fun for me behind Your statments. But I will see it.
I hope You believe me that my contribution was ment as a positiv input and not something to blame people. I accept that the name Hiren is red alerting You. On the other hand a similar approch from China (I do not name it to keep Your bloodpressor low) was very interesting for the "experts" from a sister-forum where You are also active. Not to use it but to learn from it. But it was forbidden to analyse it further. Also a kind of censorship.
Hope that sometimes I will come back with a problem that can be handled in a more technical manner.

best regards
Sparky

Sure , I resigned from being Admin of that Forum EXACTLY because I was constantly accused of censorship, JFYI:
http://www.boot-land.net/forums/index.php?...c=10068&hl=
here on 911CD I am a plain Mod, it is easier to complain about me.

BTW, I would like to see where the censorship actually happened on the "sister forum".

Can we at least debunk the accusation of not being helpful? (just in order to come to a conciliatory end)

jaclaz

hey jaclaz

No problem, I mentioned my very first ask for help where You helped quick and professionel. I remember having reacted very positiv to Your help. Thats also one reason, why I was so surprised about Your unexpected reaction in this case. Sorry that You leave, i have appreciated Your competent help even in complex questions. There was bad luck in my last case. I am a peace-loving guy but many years ago I decided never belonging to the silent majority. And sticking to that decision a had to counteract.

Good luck on Your way
Sparky

!!!

Sometimes being silent only means that one has nothing accurate to say.

I am still pondering what the heck you are counteracting against.

You came here suggesting what the "experts" should do according to you.

I told you how the "experts" ALREADY had solved the problem and where to look for some possible solution.

Next - on the basis of a comment on another members's post - I am accused of not providing help, and then, as soon that this is cleanly proved as a false accusation, I am accused of exercising Censorship on another forum, again a completely false accusation.

There is no case to close, no attack from me and your counteracting is against nothing.

If you want, I can easily attack you, so that you can see the difference , and you will have actually something to counteract against.

It is very possible that my English has worsened in the years, but what I wrote in the linked to thread on boot-land seems to me clear enough, I am not leaving boot-land, nor I have any intention to leave 911CD, so you have also no reason to be sorry.

@Ed_P
???

jaclaz

Some people here are programmers, and programmers have to eat too.

...but since jaclaz is NO programmer, I guess this cannot be the reason...

jaclaz